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"Eric Lindholm" New User someone@microsoft.com Sep 3, 2006, 4:02 PM Post #1 of 24(216 views) Shortcut sng hand advice [BAHH] Can't Post Curious for thoughts on this hand: Nine-player NLHE sng, three places pay, four left. I have about 2700 of the 13500 in play, blinds 100/200, no ante but we will go to 100/200/25 fairly soon. These are the other players, from my left: Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in terms of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. Opponent C (1700): Lucky to have made it this far, has hit hands at the right times but is weak strategically and isn't showing any signs of urgency. I have tried some preflop moves with crap (since that's all I've had) and they haven't worked. But in general, the big stacks have seemed mainly content to play it safe until someone busts. I'm on the small blind, B makes it 600, C folds, and I have AKs. What's the play? No Karma

"XaQ Morphy" New User a1c5905@webnntp.invalid Sep 3, 2006, 4:25 PM Post #2 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post > Curious for thoughts on this hand: > > Nine-player NLHE sng, three places pay, four left. I have about 2700 of the > 13500 in play, blinds 100/200, no ante but we will go to 100/200/25 fairly > soon. These are the other players, from my left: > > Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with > inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. > > Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in terms > of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. > > Opponent C (1700): Lucky to have made it this far, has hit hands at the > right times but is weak strategically and isn't showing any signs of > urgency. > > I have tried some preflop moves with crap (since that's all I've had) and > they haven't worked. But in general, the big stacks have seemed mainly > content to play it safe until someone busts. > > I'm on the small blind, B makes it 600, C folds, and I have AKs. What's the > play? Is this a trick question? Let me guess, you jammed, he called with 88, you lost the race, you're now posting here asking if jamming was the right play because you lost and the guy with less chips got into the money? I'm pretty sure I jam here every time. Morphy http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com -------  * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com No Karma

"Bazzer Smith" New User me@invalid.net Sep 3, 2006, 6:11 PM Post #3 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post Jam? Strawberry? "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message news:kaqrs3x1ga.ln2@recgroups.com... >> Curious for thoughts on this hand: >> >> Nine-player NLHE sng, three places pay, four left. I have about 2700 of >> the >> 13500 in play, blinds 100/200, no ante but we will go to 100/200/25 >> fairly >> soon. These are the other players, from my left: >> >> Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with >> inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. >> >> Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in >> terms >> of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. >> >> Opponent C (1700): Lucky to have made it this far, has hit hands at the >> right times but is weak strategically and isn't showing any signs of >> urgency. >> >> I have tried some preflop moves with crap (since that's all I've had) and >> they haven't worked. But in general, the big stacks have seemed mainly >> content to play it safe until someone busts. >> >> I'm on the small blind, B makes it 600, C folds, and I have AKs. What's >> the >> play? > > Is this a trick question? Let me guess, you jammed, he called with 88, > you lost the race, you're now posting here asking if jamming was the right > play because you lost and the guy with less chips got into the money? > > I'm pretty sure I jam here every time. > > Morphy > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com > > ------- > * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com > No Karma

Nick Wool New User 43079532@recpoker.com Sep 3, 2006, 7:07 PM Post #4 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 3 2006 9:02 PM, Eric Lindholm wrote: > Curious for thoughts on this hand: > > Nine-player NLHE sng, three places pay, four left. I have about 2700 of the > 13500 in play, blinds 100/200, no ante but we will go to 100/200/25 fairly > soon. These are the other players, from my left: > > Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with > inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. > > Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in terms > of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. > > Opponent C (1700): Lucky to have made it this far, has hit hands at the > right times but is weak strategically and isn't showing any signs of > urgency. > > I have tried some preflop moves with crap (since that's all I've had) and > they haven't worked. But in general, the big stacks have seemed mainly > content to play it safe until someone busts. > > I'm on the small blind, B makes it 600, C folds, and I have AKs. What's the > play? fold _______________________________________________________________ * New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"XaQ Morphy" New User a1c5905@webnntp.invalid Sep 3, 2006, 7:15 PM Post #5 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post > fold Reasoning? Not arguing, just that I would jam here every time, and there's a good chance that if I do something it's the wrong move, so I'm looking to see other opinions... Morphy http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com _____________________________________________________________________  RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com No Karma

GTech1 New User 43079021@recpoker.com Sep 3, 2006, 7:43 PM Post #6 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post Instapush.  4 handed AKs is a huge hand.  All that's happened here is the big stack has raised pretty much the minimum.  He could have anything.  You can't fold, and any raise that isn't all in will make it so that B will have to call whatever you bet on the flop. On Sep 3 2006 4:02 PM, Eric Lindholm wrote: > Curious for thoughts on this hand: > > Nine-player NLHE sng, three places pay, four left. I have about 2700 of the > 13500 in play, blinds 100/200, no ante but we will go to 100/200/25 fairly > soon. These are the other players, from my left: > > Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with > inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. > > Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in terms > of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. > > Opponent C (1700): Lucky to have made it this far, has hit hands at the > right times but is weak strategically and isn't showing any signs of > urgency. > > I have tried some preflop moves with crap (since that's all I've had) and > they haven't worked. But in general, the big stacks have seemed mainly > content to play it safe until someone busts. > > I'm on the small blind, B makes it 600, C folds, and I have AKs. What's the > play? _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"akqjt98" New User a59933d@webnntp.invalid Sep 3, 2006, 7:52 PM Post #7 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 3 2006 3:02 PM, Eric Lindholm wrote: > Curious for thoughts on this hand: > > Nine-player NLHE sng, three places pay, four left. I have about 2700 of the > 13500 in play, blinds 100/200, no ante but we will go to 100/200/25 fairly > soon. These are the other players, from my left: > > Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with > inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. > > Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in terms > of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. > > Opponent C (1700): Lucky to have made it this far, has hit hands at the > right times but is weak strategically and isn't showing any signs of > urgency. > > I have tried some preflop moves with crap (since that's all I've had) and > they haven't worked. But in general, the big stacks have seemed mainly > content to play it safe until someone busts. > > I'm on the small blind, B makes it 600, C folds, and I have AKs. What's the > play? If this is like every other time I've been in this situation - jam, and he'll turn up AA ------  * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com No Karma

David Watts New User puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid Sep 3, 2006, 8:16 PM Post #8 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post Eric Lindholm <someone@microsoft.com> wrote: > Curious for thoughts on this hand: > > Nine-player NLHE sng, three places pay, four left. I have about 2700 of the > 13500 in play, blinds 100/200, no ante but we will go to 100/200/25 fairly > soon. These are the other players, from my left: > > Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with > inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. > > Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in terms > of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. > > Opponent C (1700): Lucky to have made it this far, has hit hands at the > right times but is weak strategically and isn't showing any signs of > urgency. > > I have tried some preflop moves with crap (since that's all I've had) and > they haven't worked. But in general, the big stacks have seemed mainly > content to play it safe until someone busts. > > I'm on the small blind, B makes it 600, C folds, and I have AKs. What's the > play? I'm having a helluva time imagining a good reason *not* to jam this, especially if winning the thing matters more to you than cashing. -- Email: chris * goodshow , net [modulo certain character substitutions] americascardroom.com: e e y o r e pokerroom.com: cbellomy full tilt: davidwatts No Karma

Nick Wool New User 43079532@recpoker.com Sep 3, 2006, 9:33 PM Post #9 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 4 2006 12:15 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote: > > fold > > Reasoning? Not arguing, just that I would jam here every time, and > there's a good chance that if I do something it's the wrong move, so I'm > looking to see other opinions... > > Morphy > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/ Well, I am not sure what answer he was expecting, its an auto-push everytime given the stacks and the blinds.  I wasted half an hour thinking why there might be any other play, and still couldn't come up with one, so in that case, I am not sure why he asked the question. My guess is he either folded, lost the race, or ran into a monster, so I thought I'd give him the answer he wanted. _______________________________________________________________ * New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

DanFan New User 43082302@recpoker.com Sep 3, 2006, 9:37 PM Post #10 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post   I would call. Here's why: the 600 represents less than 25% of your stack, so you're not pot committed. Also, you have a drawing hand. Why would you jam when you're a dog to any pair? Don't be afraid to take a flop. If it misses you, you get away with investing the minimum. If the flop hits you, you're unlikely to make much more than the 600. For instance, say you're opponent has a middle pair and the flop comes with an Ace. He knows you called with something pre-flop, and given that this is the one player you label as solid, it's a reasonable assumption he'll know he's beat and fold to a bet of 2/3 of the pot. If he has A-x and didn't hit two pair on the flop (only ~1% chance of that), you're way ahead. I certainly wouldn't fold because the blinds aren't so high yet that the small stack is about to be pushed out. DanFan On Sep 3 2006 7:16 PM, David Watts wrote: > Eric Lindholm wrote: > > Curious for thoughts on this hand: > > > > Nine-player NLHE sng, three places pay, four left. I have about 2700 of the > > > > 13500 in play, blinds 100/200, no ante but we will go to 100/200/25 fairly > > soon. These are the other players, from my left: > > > > Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with > > inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. > > > > Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in terms > > > > of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. > > > > Opponent C (1700): Lucky to have made it this far, has hit hands at the > > right times but is weak strategically and isn't showing any signs of > > urgency. > > > > I have tried some preflop moves with crap (since that's all I've had) and > > they haven't worked. But in general, the big stacks have seemed mainly > > content to play it safe until someone busts. > > > > I'm on the small blind, B makes it 600, C folds, and I have AKs. What's the > > play? > > I'm having a helluva time imagining a good reason *not* to > jam this, especially if winning the thing matters more to you > than cashing. > > -- > Email: chris * goodshow , net [modulo certain character substitutions] > americascardroom.com: e e y o r e > pokerroom.com: cbellomy > full tilt: davidwatts _______________________________________________________________ Posted using RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"XaQ Morphy" New User a1c5905@webnntp.invalid Sep 3, 2006, 9:52 PM Post #11 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post > Well, I am not sure what answer he was expecting, its an auto-push everytime > given the stacks and the blinds.  I wasted half an hour thinking why there might > be any other play, and still couldn't come up with one, so in that case, I am > not sure why he asked the question. > > My guess is he either folded, lost the race, or ran into a monster, so I thought > I'd give him the answer he wanted. I like your thinking, sir! Morphy http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com --------  * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com No Karma

Patti Beadles New User pattib@green.rahul.net Sep 3, 2006, 10:35 PM Post #12 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post No-brainer jam. Sometimes you need to farm, but not here. -Patti -- Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA | pattib~pattib.org | A sensible religion http://www.pattib.org/ | is just a contradiction in terms Or just yell, "Hey Patti!" | -- Roger Taylor No Karma

"Eric Lindholm" New User blumberg.NO.lindholm.SPAM@verizon.net Sep 3, 2006, 10:47 PM Post #13 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post Thanks for the responses. I went all-in and lost to AA, no big deal. Then I started to second-guess myself, because I may not have a big edge over the range of hands B is likely to have made this raise with. Pretty much AQ or AJ are the only weaker hands I can expect to get a call from. He might fold a small pair, but otherwise I'm likely on the short end of a coin flip. And given that I thought I had a large skill advantage over my other two remaining opponents, maybe waiting would have made more sense. But the consensus appears to be that my first instinct was correct, so I'm okay with that. No Karma

"Eric Lindholm" New User blumberg.NO.lindholm.SPAM@verizon.net Sep 3, 2006, 10:48 PM Post #14 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post Oh and incidentally, the flop was K-high junk, so in that sense I was doomed anyway. No Karma

Joe Long New User nospam@spam.com Sep 4, 2006, 1:34 AM Post #15 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post Eric Lindholm wrote: > Oh and incidentally, the flop was K-high junk, so in that sense I was doomed > anyway. True. I don't like committing all of my chips preflop with AK (suited or not) when a solid player who has me covered has raised, unless I'm more short-stacked than you were. I would have called, and taken a flop. But then I would have pushed on that flop. -- Joe Long aka Chiprider Somewhere on the Range No Karma

Patti Beadles New User pattib@green.rahul.net Sep 4, 2006, 2:22 AM Post #16 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post In article <5tMKg.1104$YZ3.891@trnddc03>, Eric Lindholm <blumberg.NO.lindholm.SPAM@verizon.net> wrote: >because I may not have a big edge over the range of hands B is >likely to have made this raise with. Pretty much AQ or AJ are the only >weaker hands I can expect to get a call from. He might fold a small pair, >but otherwise I'm likely on the short end of a coin flip. Umm, bullshit? Four-handed, a solid player with a decent stack is going to be raising with a wide range of hands, trying to steal blinds and accumulate chips. The right strategy for him here is to chip away at a lot of stuff. The most likely scenario here is that he folds and you pick up the blinds plus his raise. Occasionally he calls, and when he does you're typically facing either a slightly weaker ace or a pair smaller than KK, or occasionally another AK. It's exceedingly rare for him to have you dominated. Would you be second-guessing the play if he folded? If he called with JJ and you won? -Patti -- Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA | pattib~pattib.org | A sensible religion http://www.pattib.org/ | is just a contradiction in terms Or just yell, "Hey Patti!" | -- Roger Taylor No Karma

David Watts New User puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid Sep 4, 2006, 10:14 AM Post #17 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post Patti Beadles <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote: > In article <5tMKg.1104$YZ3.891@trnddc03>, > Eric Lindholm <blumberg.NO.lindholm.SPAM@verizon.net> wrote: > >>because I may not have a big edge over the range of hands B is >>likely to have made this raise with. Pretty much AQ or AJ are the only >>weaker hands I can expect to get a call from. He might fold a small pair, >>but otherwise I'm likely on the short end of a coin flip. > > Umm, bullshit? > > Four-handed, a solid player with a decent stack is going to > be raising with a wide range of hands, trying to steal blinds > and accumulate chips. The right strategy for him here is to > chip away at a lot of stuff. > > The most likely scenario here is that he folds and you pick > up the blinds plus his raise. Occasionally he calls, and > when he does you're typically facing either a slightly weaker > ace or a pair smaller than KK, or occasionally another AK. > It's exceedingly rare for him to have you dominated. You'll also get calls from KQ sometimes, in my experience. Patti is right (as usual), his range is much wider here than imagined. -- Email: chris * goodshow , net [modulo certain character substitutions] americascardroom.com: e e y o r e pokerroom.com: cbellomy full tilt: davidwatts No Karma

David Watts New User puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid Sep 4, 2006, 10:21 AM Post #18 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post DanFan <43082302@recpoker.com> wrote: > > I would call. Here's why: the 600 represents less than 25% of your stack, so > you're not pot committed. Also, you have a drawing hand. Why would you jam when > you're?a dog to any pair? Don't be afraid to take a flop. If it misses you, you > get away with investing the minimum. What do you do the 2/3 of a time that you miss the flop? You contradict yourself here: you're right that AK is a drawing hand, but then you don't give a full chance to draw out. AK really wants to see all five community cards to maximize its value; and, by smoothcalling, you risk losing fold equity post-flop. I can't remember if AK was on the button or in the blinds here -- if in the blinds, I can actually see a case for running a stop-and-go, jamming the flop no matter how it came. Regardless, you have to get this hand to the river before you fold it. -- Email: chris * goodshow , net [modulo certain character substitutions] americascardroom.com: e e y o r e pokerroom.com: cbellomy full tilt: davidwatts No Karma

"Eric Lindholm" New User blumberg.NO.lindholm.SPAM@verizon.net Sep 4, 2006, 8:45 PM Post #19 of 24(216 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post > You'll also get calls from KQ sometimes, in my experience. Depends on the player and circumstances. This big stack in this situation isn't going to call with KQ against an all-in large enough to do him significant harm. It would simply be stupid, and he hadn't done anything simply stupid to that point. > Patti > is right (as usual), his range is much wider here than imagined. I'm not sure whose "imagination" you are referring to. I thought there was a pretty good chance he had AQ or AJ, especially since the size of the raise looked so ordinary. I also thought he might fold a pair lower than 88 or so. But had he accidentally exposed TT while raising, I think my correct play is to fold. There's still time for me to find a better situation, particularly given the apparent low skill of the other two opponents. No Karma

"Beldin the Sorcerer" New User beldinyyz@verizon.net Sep 16, 2006, 10:20 AM Post #20 of 24(213 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post   "Eric Lindholm" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:TxGKg.1097$I71.547@trnddc01... > Curious for thoughts on this hand: > > Nine-player NLHE sng, three places pay, four left. I have about 2700 of the > 13500 in play, blinds 100/200, no ante but we will go to 100/200/25 fairly > soon. These are the other players, from my left: > > Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with > inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. > > Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in terms > of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. > > Opponent C (1700): Lucky to have made it this far, has hit hands at the > right times but is weak strategically and isn't showing any signs of > urgency. > > I have tried some preflop moves with crap (since that's all I've had) and > they haven't worked. But in general, the big stacks have seemed mainly > content to play it safe until someone busts. > > I'm on the small blind, B makes it 600, C folds, and I have AKs. What's the > play? > I'm going to answer this 3 weeks after you asked it, because it's relevent in another thread. What's B got? He's described as follows : Opponent B (4800): Seems basically solid, pretty middle of the road in terms of aggression, perhaps just a bit on the conservative side. Who's this conservative player raising? Opponent A (4300): Calling station, has been caught several times with inferior hands and gotten bailed out by the deck. So he can't be trying to steal. The guy calls very often. Also, the guy had the only stack that can cripple him terribly. The conservative player isn't going to raise him with 77 He isn't going to raise him with AJ He's got a big hand. JJ, possibly. QQ, KK, AA, AK most likely. Short stack's BB, maybe looser, but against the only stack he really needs to fear. No way is this a push. At best a coin flip. If he tried raising with AQ and you push he'll fold. That isn't a read. That's a probability assessment. Definately one of Sklansky's class one hands. Call, if you want to try and spike an ace. Fold, and let the calling station donk off heavily, and maybe make second more of a contest. > No Karma

"Beldin the Sorcerer" New User beldinyyz@verizon.net Sep 16, 2006, 10:22 AM Post #21 of 24(213 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post   "Eric Lindholm" <blumberg.NO.lindholm.SPAM@verizon.net> wrote in message news:5tMKg.1104$YZ3.891@trnddc03... > Thanks for the responses. > > I went all-in and lost to AA, no big deal. Then I started to second-guess > myself, because I may not have a big edge over the range of hands B is > likely to have made this raise with. Pretty much AQ or AJ are the only > weaker hands I can expect to get a call from. He might fold a small pair, > but otherwise I'm likely on the short end of a coin flip. And given that I > thought I had a large skill advantage over my other two remaining opponents, > maybe waiting would have made more sense. > > But the consensus appears to be that my first instinct was correct, so I'm > okay with that. > I just replied to your post. I didn't see this one. It shows my read right, but undermines its credibility, as I didn't know you had revealed the hand. If I had, spiking the ace would be deadly. Conservative player betting into #1 or #2 stack = big hand. > No Karma

"Beldin the Sorcerer" New User beldinyyz@verizon.net Sep 16, 2006, 10:24 AM Post #22 of 24(213 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post   "David Watts" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message news:3T3ek121I8vaN34@redshark.goodshow.net... > Patti Beadles <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote: > > In article <5tMKg.1104$YZ3.891@trnddc03>, > > Eric Lindholm <blumberg.NO.lindholm.SPAM@verizon.net> wrote: > > > >>because I may not have a big edge over the range of hands B is > >>likely to have made this raise with. Pretty much AQ or AJ are the only > >>weaker hands I can expect to get a call from. He might fold a small pair, > >>but otherwise I'm likely on the short end of a coin flip. > > > > Umm, bullshit? > > > > Four-handed, a solid player with a decent stack is going to > > be raising with a wide range of hands, trying to steal blinds > > and accumulate chips. The right strategy for him here is to > > chip away at a lot of stuff. > > > > The most likely scenario here is that he folds and you pick > > up the blinds plus his raise. Occasionally he calls, and > > when he does you're typically facing either a slightly weaker > > ace or a pair smaller than KK, or occasionally another AK. > > It's exceedingly rare for him to have you dominated. > > You'll also get calls from KQ sometimes, in my experience. Patti > is right (as usual), his range is much wider here than imagined. > No, it isn't. You're looking at the amount he's raising. You're not looking at WHO he's raising. You don't raise calling stations without the goods. Especially when they can cripple you. No Karma

David Watts New User puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid Sep 16, 2006, 11:45 AM Post #23 of 24(213 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post Beldin the Sorcerer <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote: : : "David Watts" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message : news:3T3ek121I8vaN34@redshark.goodshow.net... :> Patti Beadles <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote: :> > In article <5tMKg.1104$YZ3.891@trnddc03>, :> > Eric Lindholm <blumberg.NO.lindholm.SPAM@verizon.net> wrote: :> > :> >>because I may not have a big edge over the range of hands B is :> >>likely to have made this raise with. Pretty much AQ or AJ are the only :> >>weaker hands I can expect to get a call from. He might fold a small : pair, :> >>but otherwise I'm likely on the short end of a coin flip. :> > :> > Umm, bullshit? :> > :> > Four-handed, a solid player with a decent stack is going to :> > be raising with a wide range of hands, trying to steal blinds :> > and accumulate chips. The right strategy for him here is to :> > chip away at a lot of stuff. :> > :> > The most likely scenario here is that he folds and you pick :> > up the blinds plus his raise. Occasionally he calls, and :> > when he does you're typically facing either a slightly weaker :> > ace or a pair smaller than KK, or occasionally another AK. :> > It's exceedingly rare for him to have you dominated. :> :> You'll also get calls from KQ sometimes, in my experience. Patti :> is right (as usual), his range is much wider here than imagined. : : No, it isn't. : : You're looking at the amount he's raising. : : You're not looking at WHO he's raising. : You don't raise calling stations without the goods. : Especially when they can cripple you. I don't know where you're playing, but you're seeing much better players than I am. The donks I deal with don't pay attention to what others are doing. -- Email: chris * goodshow , net [modulo certain character substitutions] americascardroom.com: e e y o r e pokerroom.com: cbellomy full tilt: davidwatts No Karma

Patti Beadles New User pattib@green.rahul.net Sep 16, 2006, 3:40 PM Post #24 of 24(213 views) Shortcut Re: sng hand advice [BAHH] [In reply to] Can't Post In article <aOTOg.45$x11.24@trndny02>, Beldin the Sorcerer <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote: >You're not looking at WHO he's raising. >You don't raise calling stations without the goods. "The goods" is a much lower bar four-handed than ten-handed. A9 is the goods in that situation. -Patti -- Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA | pattib~pattib.org | A sensible religion http://www.pattib.org/ | is just a contradiction in terms Or just yell, "Hey Patti!" | -- Roger Taylor No Karma

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