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"mattb8818" New User mattb8818@yahoo.com Sep 12, 2006, 5:26 PM Post #1 of 11(149 views) Shortcut calling raises preflop in PLO8 Can't Post If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much are you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with hands like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. What do you all think? No Karma

Tanya AKA MissT74 New User 43084303@recpoker.com Sep 12, 2006, 6:10 PM Post #2 of 11(148 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 12 2006 2:26 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much are > you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with hands > like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in > late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will > usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge > pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will > often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. > > What do you all think? IMO, it depends on the blind levels. If it's early in the event, I would not raise, you're not going to get rid of anyone with small raises. However, during higher blind levels, then yes I would raise preflop. T   _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Bob New User robert_utk@hotmail.com Sep 12, 2006, 7:00 PM Post #3 of 11(148 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post In a cash game, call the raise but no reraise. Why raise/reraise with A236 suited? I always wanted as many fish on the line later in the hand. Maybe a 3X raise in late position with all high cards for isolation reasons, but seldom bluff on continuation. This is for all the small/middle stakes cash games IMO. For tourneys, I would raise the size of the pot in later position at the later levels of the tourney. PLO8 tourneys are too luck oriented at the later levels for my taste. Bob On Sep 12 2006 5:26 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much are > you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with hands > like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in > late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will > usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge > pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will > often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. > > What do you all think? _______________________________________________________________ Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Gary Carson New User garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu Sep 12, 2006, 8:17 PM Post #4 of 11(148 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 12 2006 5:10 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: > > > > On Sep 12 2006 2:26 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > > > If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much are > > you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with hands > > like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in > > late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will > > usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge > > pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will > > often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. > > > > What do you all think? > > IMO, it depends on the blind levels. If it's early in the event, I would not > raise, you're not going to get rid of anyone with small raises. You dont know much about pot limit. Also, he didn't say anything about an "event". Just go back to the bar. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ Block Lists, Favorites, and more - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Tanya AKA MissT74 New User 43084303@recpoker.com Sep 12, 2006, 9:16 PM Post #5 of 11(148 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 12 2006 5:17 PM, Gary Carson wrote: > > > > On Sep 12 2006 5:10 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12 2006 2:26 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > > > > > If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much are > > > you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with hands > > > like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in > > > late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will > > > usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge > > > pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will > > > often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. > > > > > > What do you all think? > > > > IMO, it depends on the blind levels. If it's early in the event, I would not > > raise, you're not going to get rid of anyone with small raises. > > You dont know much about pot limit. > > Also, he didn't say anything about an "event". > > Just go back to the bar. > > Gary Carson > http://www.garycarson.com/ 151.5% ROI BABY.... Hmm...speaking of bars, haven't been to one in over 2 weeks, maybe it's time....thanks for the suggestion!! T > > _______________________________________________________________ Block Lists, Favorites, and more - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"mattb8818" New User mattb8818@yahoo.com Sep 12, 2006, 10:08 PM Post #6 of 11(148 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post   Gary Carson wrote: > On Sep 12 2006 5:10 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12 2006 2:26 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > > > > > If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much are > > > you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with hands > > > like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in > > > late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will > > > usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge > > > pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will > > > often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. > > > > > > What do you all think? > > > > IMO, it depends on the blind levels. If it's early in the event, I would not > > raise, you're not going to get rid of anyone with small raises. > > You dont know much about pot limit. > > Also, he didn't say anything about an "event". > > Just go back to the bar. > > Gary Carson > http://www.garycarson.com > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Block Lists, Favorites, and more - http://www.recpoker.com I was talking about a cash game. What do you in this situation gary? Maybe I don't know much about pot limt. It seems when I raise it creates more variance, but everyone always calls preflop at pacific poker and it allows me to win big pots. No Karma

Gary Carson New User garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu Sep 12, 2006, 11:51 PM Post #7 of 11(148 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 12 2006 9:08 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > Gary Carson wrote: > > On Sep 12 2006 5:10 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12 2006 2:26 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > > > > > > > If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much are > > > > you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with hands > > > > like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in > > > > late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will > > > > usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge > > > > pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will > > > > often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. > > > > > > > > What do you all think? > > > > > > IMO, it depends on the blind levels. If it's early in the event, I would > > > not > > > raise, you're not going to get rid of anyone with small raises. > > > > You dont know much about pot limit. > > > > Also, he didn't say anything about an "event". > > > I was talking about a cash game. What do you in this situation gary? > Maybe I don't know much about pot limt. That wasnt talking about you -- that was in reference to Tanyas idiot remark that a riase wont get anybody to fold > It seems when I raise it > creates more variance, but everyone always calls preflop at pacific > poker and it allows me to win big pots. I think you should raise a lot from late position but only when the money is deep.  Sometimes with this capped buyin games the money isnt all that deep. I think you should avoid most raises from early position when the money is deep.  I pretty much agreed with your original post. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Jake_Strongwell@yahoo.com New User Jake_Strongwell@yahoo.com Sep 13, 2006, 11:04 PM Post #8 of 11(147 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post What would you do Gary? LOL, he wouldn't do anything! It's not like he plays poker, all he does is post nonsense on rgp. I don't think he even knows the rules to PLO. mattb8818 wrote: > Gary Carson wrote: > > On Sep 12 2006 5:10 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12 2006 2:26 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > > > > > > > If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much are > > > > you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with hands > > > > like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in > > > > late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will > > > > usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge > > > > pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will > > > > often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. > > > > > > > > What do you all think? > > > > > > IMO, it depends on the blind levels. If it's early in the event, I would not > > > raise, you're not going to get rid of anyone with small raises. > > > > You dont know much about pot limit. > > > > Also, he didn't say anything about an "event". > > > > Just go back to the bar. > > > > Gary Carson > > http://www.garycarson.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Block Lists, Favorites, and more - http://www.recpoker.com > > I was talking about a cash game. What do you in this situation gary? > Maybe I don't know much about pot limt. It seems when I raise it > creates more variance, but everyone always calls preflop at pacific > poker and it allows me to win big pots. No Karma

Tanya AKA MissT74 New User 43084303@recpoker.com Sep 14, 2006, 2:07 AM Post #9 of 11(147 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 13 2006 8:04 PM, Jake_Strongwell@yahoo.com wrote: > What would you do Gary? LOL, he wouldn't do anything! It's not like > he plays poker, all he does is post nonsense on rgp. I don't think he > even knows the rules to PLO. Jake, I don't know you, but I love you. T > > mattb8818 wrote: > > Gary Carson wrote: > > > On Sep 12 2006 5:10 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12 2006 2:26 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much > > > > > are > > > > > you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with > > > > > hands > > > > > like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in > > > > > late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will > > > > > usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge > > > > > pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will > > > > > often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. > > > > > > > > > > What do you all think? > > > > > > > > IMO, it depends on the blind levels. If it's early in the event, I would > > > > not > > > > raise, you're not going to get rid of anyone with small raises. > > > > > > You dont know much about pot limit. > > > > > > Also, he didn't say anything about an "event". > > > > > > Just go back to the bar. > > > > > > Gary Carson > > > http://www.garycarson.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > Block Lists, Favorites, and more - / > > > > I was talking about a cash game. What do you in this situation gary? > > Maybe I don't know much about pot limt. It seems when I raise it > > creates more variance, but everyone always calls preflop at pacific > > poker and it allows me to win big pots. _______________________________________________________________ Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Ian Crorie New User idc@macs.hw.ac.uk Sep 14, 2006, 5:28 AM Post #10 of 11(147 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post Bob wrote: > In a cash game, call the raise but no reraise. Why raise/reraise with A236 > suited? I always wanted as many fish on the line later in the hand. Maybe a 3X > raise in late position with all high cards for isolation reasons, but seldom > bluff on continuation. This is for all the small/middle stakes cash games IMO. > For tourneys, I would raise the size of the pot in later position at the later > levels of the tourney. PLO8 tourneys are too luck oriented at the later levels > for my taste. You raise in late position after some limpers to begin building the pot. You want to do that because you're +EV against limpers in a typical loose PLO/8 game, and you want callers, given that this hand plays best in a multiway pot. Picking up on a point Gary hinted at, if the stacks aren't deep we might rethink a raise, particularly at an aggressive table where preflop raises/reraises are common. I'd rather not be playing a big pot head to head on the flop with A236. No Karma

Jake_Strongwell@yahoo.com New User Jake_Strongwell@yahoo.com Sep 14, 2006, 8:00 PM Post #11 of 11(145 views) Shortcut Re: calling raises preflop in PLO8 [In reply to] Can't Post Thanks....I love you too. Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: > On Sep 13 2006 8:04 PM, Jake_Strongwell@yahoo.com wrote: > > > What would you do Gary? LOL, he wouldn't do anything! It's not like > > he plays poker, all he does is post nonsense on rgp. I don't think he > > even knows the rules to PLO. > > Jake, > > I don't know you, but I love you. > > T > > > > > mattb8818 wrote: > > > Gary Carson wrote: > > > > On Sep 12 2006 5:10 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12 2006 2:26 PM, mattb8818 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an excellent hand like a236 with a suited ace, how much > > > > > > are > > > > > > you guys willing to invest preflop. Also, I will often raise with > > > > > > hands > > > > > > like this on the button or cutoff. I will raise with many hands in > > > > > > late position preflop. I will even do it with 4 high cards. I will > > > > > > usually raise it up to 3x the bb. It seems that I can often win huge > > > > > > pots because people are reluctant to fold after the flop. They will > > > > > > often put you on AA and lose a big pot with a weak hand. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you all think? > > > > > > > > > > IMO, it depends on the blind levels. If it's early in the event, I would > > > > > not > > > > > raise, you're not going to get rid of anyone with small raises. > > > > > > > > You dont know much about pot limit. > > > > > > > > Also, he didn't say anything about an "event". > > > > > > > > Just go back to the bar. > > > > > > > > Gary Carson > > > > http://www.garycarson.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Block Lists, Favorites, and more - / > > > > > > I was talking about a cash game. What do you in this situation gary? > > > Maybe I don't know much about pot limt. It seems when I raise it > > > creates more variance, but everyone always calls preflop at pacific > > > poker and it allows me to win big pots. > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

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