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Anthony New User 43086159@recpoker.com Sep 14, 2006, 4:02 PM Post #1 of 9(146 views) Shortcut Rules for Raising in NL Can't Post There seems to be some confusion at my homegame about raising in NL. Say the player before you bet 200...what would the min raise be in this case? I always thought it was at least double the bet, so 400, but someone mentioned that it was ok to raise 1.5 times the bet, to 300. Can anyone tell me what is the right ruling on this one? _______________________________________________________________ New Feature: Mark All As Read! - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"ALMOST FREE BOOKS" New User russelldeutsch@gmail.com Sep 14, 2006, 4:05 PM Post #2 of 9(146 views) Shortcut Re: Rules for Raising in NL [In reply to] Can't Post It depends. If the opening bet on the flop was 200, then 400 is the min raise. However. If blinds were 50/100, and someone raised to 200, THEN it is possible to raise to 300, because the minimum raise is the increment between the two prior bets. 0-200.... Increment: 200. 100-200-300.... Increment: 100. No Karma

"ALMOST FREE BOOKS" New User russelldeutsch@gmail.com Sep 14, 2006, 4:07 PM Post #3 of 9(146 views) Shortcut Re: Rules for Raising in NL [In reply to] Can't Post Sorry for spamming but I just wanted to add that this can get tricky. Say the flop comes out, there is a raise to 7, a reraise to 14, and a re-re-raise to 50. If someone wanted to min raise, the minimum raise would be to 86, based on the 36 dollar increment between 14 and 50. No Karma

Johnny T New User not@home.com Sep 14, 2006, 4:13 PM Post #4 of 9(146 views) Shortcut Re: Rules for Raising in NL [In reply to] Can't Post Anthony wrote: > There seems to be some confusion at my homegame about raising in NL. Say the > player before you bet 200...what would the min raise be in this case? I always > thought it was at least double the bet, so 400, but someone mentioned that it > was ok to raise 1.5 times the bet, to 300. Can anyone tell me what is the right > ruling on this one? > > _______________________________________________________________ > New Feature: Mark All As Read! - http://www.recpoker.com At least the amount of the RAISE, up to your stack. If your stack is less than 50% of the raise it does not constitute "action" to the previous raiser. No Karma

"da pickle" New User jcpickels@NOSPAMhotmail.com Sep 14, 2006, 4:28 PM Post #5 of 9(146 views) Shortcut Re: Rules for Raising in NL [In reply to] Can't Post "Anthony" > There seems to be some confusion at my homegame about raising in NL. Say > the > player before you bet 200...what would the min raise be in this case? I > always > thought it was at least double the bet, so 400, but someone mentioned that > it > was ok to raise 1.5 times the bet, to 300. Can anyone tell me what is the > right > ruling on this one? You have already gotten some correct, almost, answers. The problem is usually (as it often is) with defining the words being used. People keep using the word "raise" when they mean "bet" and they say I raise $400, when they mean I raise your $200 bet $200 more ... sometimes they say, make it $400, which is just fine. Precise use of the words makes the "answers" easier. In your example, the minimum raise of the $200 bet is $200. That "makes it" $400. You will get incorrect advice about an all-in that is less than a minimum raise that applies to "limit" games. A "raise" of at least 50% of the minimum raise by an all-in player "reopens the betting" for a player that has already acted or had an opportunity to act. In no limit, the raise by the all in player must at least equal a full raise to reopen the betting. (There is a confusing rule in many places that "adds up" multiple all-ins to reach the minimum raise figure. This is not consistent among rooms but it is rare enough to not matter much.) In short, the minimum "raise" is double the bet in both no limit and limit. The difference is an all-in and whether it "reopens" the betting for players that have either acted or have had an opportunity to act. In NL the all-in "raise" must be at least a full minimum raise and in limit it need be only 1/2 or more. Simple? No Karma

"Bronzedodger" New User a686ed@webnntp.invalid Sep 14, 2006, 4:58 PM Post #6 of 9(144 views) Shortcut Re: Rules for Raising in NL [In reply to] Can't Post And cause I'm wondering if I know the follow-up answer: The situation with the all-in raise not re-opening the betting is this (had this happen at a full table at a B&M recently that burned it into my brain). $2/$5 NLHE. UTG: Calls A player then raises to $25. Three players then call the $25. Next guy pushes all-in for $43. Now - if he had more, and wanted to raise, his minimum raise would have been $20 ($25-$5) making it "$45 to go". But because he doesn't have a the full amount to raise (only $18) it doesn't "re-open" the betting to the previous players. So their only option is to call the $43, or fold - they cannot re-raise. In my case, there was one more player behind - and he just called the $43...as did the 5 others. So we had 7 players in pre-flop for $43 each in a $2/$5 game. Good times. I just wish the all-in guy had had $2 more so I could have seen what would have happened. :) ______________________________________________________________________  : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com No Karma

"da pickle" New User jcpickels@NOSPAMhotmail.com Sep 14, 2006, 5:15 PM Post #7 of 9(144 views) Shortcut Re: Rules for Raising in NL [In reply to] Can't Post "Bronzedodger" > And cause I'm wondering if I know the follow-up answer: > > The situation with the all-in raise not re-opening the betting is this > (had this happen at a full table at a B&M recently that burned it into my > brain). > > $2/$5 NLHE. > > UTG: Calls > A player then raises to $25. > Three players then call the $25. > Next guy pushes all-in for $43. > > Now - if he had more, and wanted to raise, his minimum raise would have > been $20 ($25-$5) making it "$45 to go". But because he doesn't have a the > full amount to raise (only $18) it doesn't "re-open" the betting to the > previous players. So their only option is to call the $43, or fold - they > cannot re-raise. > > In my case, there was one more player behind - and he just called the > $43...as did the 5 others. So we had 7 players in pre-flop for $43 each in > a $2/$5 game. Good times. I just wish the all-in guy had had $2 more so I > could have seen what would have happened. :) The blinds have not yet had a chance to bet or raise, so either of them could have "raised," but apparently they both folded. No Karma

"Bronzedodger" New User a686ed@webnntp.invalid Sep 14, 2006, 8:46 PM Post #8 of 9(136 views) Shortcut Re: Rules for Raising in NL [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 14 2006 5:15 PM, da pickle wrote: > "Bronzedodger" > > > And cause I'm wondering if I know the follow-up answer: > > > > The situation with the all-in raise not re-opening the betting is this > > (had this happen at a full table at a B&M recently that burned it into my > > brain). > > > > $2/$5 NLHE. > > > > UTG: Calls > > A player then raises to $25. > > Three players then call the $25. > > Next guy pushes all-in for $43. > > > > Now - if he had more, and wanted to raise, his minimum raise would have > > been $20 ($25-$5) making it "$45 to go". But because he doesn't have a the > > full amount to raise (only $18) it doesn't "re-open" the betting to the > > previous players. So their only option is to call the $43, or fold - they > > cannot re-raise. > > > > In my case, there was one more player behind - and he just called the > > $43...as did the 5 others. So we had 7 players in pre-flop for $43 each in > > a $2/$5 game. Good times. I just wish the all-in guy had had $2 more so I > > could have seen what would have happened. :) > > The blinds have not yet had a chance to bet or raise, so either of them > could have "raised," but apparently they both folded. Foggy - me and the other guy who folded were likely UTG +1 & +2, so the all-in guy was SB, BB called the $43. Really was a great hand - who else by the guy with 10-9 sooooted took it down. :) ------  * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com No Karma

"jarrett40" New User jarrett40@msn.com Sep 14, 2006, 9:14 PM Post #9 of 9(136 views) Shortcut Re: Rules for Raising in NL [In reply to] Can't Post   Anthony wrote: > There seems to be some confusion at my homegame about raising in NL. Say the > player before you bet 200...what would the min raise be in this case? The min raise in this case would be 200.You have to put in 400 to do this. A raise is not a raise unless it's at least the size of the original bet. I always > thought it was at least double the bet, so 400, but someone mentioned that it > was ok to raise 1.5 times the bet, to 300. It is o. k. BUT but if you raised 1.5 times his 200 bet you would be raising 300, NOT RAISING TO 300. Note the difference.You would have to put in 500 to do this. Can anyone tell me what is the right > ruling on this one? Done. jarrett40 No Karma

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