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Sep 14, 2006, 12:11 AM
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:42:08 -0700, "DaPokerGnome"
<bogus-mail@bogus-mail.com> wrote:
>I would like to know where I could download or view the rules of tournament
>poker on-line. If you have a link, please post.
>
>Now my situation and the question.
>
>I played in my first live tournament that had about 130 participants. It
>was some kind of league thing where they take over a bar and put up folding
>felt tables onto the regular bar tables that are around the dance floor.
>
>In my local casino I go to sometimes, only has 10-15 people play at any
>given night for their tourney, when you finish a hand you can toss your
>cards up a bit in front of you and everyone can see what you have. The muck
>is clearly away from our cards and the dealer is taking care of business for
>the game. But in this bar mode league, the felt table just barely gives you
>enough room to play and each player takes turn as a dealer. Never mind
>having room to really maneuver, you can't even get a drink on the edge of
>the table so I didn't bother so I didn't spill on the felt.:-)
>
>As I am playing, a player tells me that I need to not have my cards touch
>the other turned down cards in the middle of the table. Now when I say
>middle, I mean the cards are kind of scattered around and not really stacked
>or moved to an away position. I thank him for telling me as I do want to
>learn the rules of a live game.
>
>A few hands later I am battling this player next to me and I take him all
>in. I end up throwing my cards out (about 10 inches from my edge I would
>think) and they 'are' touching portions of other 'dead' cards on the table.
>
>I have the winning hand clearly. He creates a stir that I have a dead hand.
>Most of the other players say let it be and tell me I should take the pot.
>I don't really argue and since the game was not that important to me (but
>maybe to the guy I took out), I said that I will let the guy have the hand.
>
>To me, I was warned about this and didn't take real caution to keep my cards
>next to my edge of the table. I was relaxed and threw the hand out as far
>as I normally do at my local casino thinking no big deal. So since I was
>told, and I assume those playing in this league know more about rules than
>I, felt obligated to let the guy take the pot.
>
>Now this took me to low on chips. I ended up taking another person out and
>as she is leaving she comments that she would not have let that guy take the
>pot. I just let it go and didn't want to create a stir. I ended up busting
>out shortly after and left.
>
>When I went to look up rules somewhere, the closest thing I could come up
>with is that the hand 'may' be declared dead, but usually not when it is
>clear who the winner is. But I would like to know for sure. My gut tells
>me if I had called in a director, they would have sided that I clearly had
>the hand and the incidental touch of cards is just that, incidental and that
>we need to make some form of allowance for such a small table we are playing
>on. The person dealing didn't pick up the dead cards have a clearly defined
>muck area.
>
>Any comments on the outcome of how this went down? Should I have called a
>director over and fought to keep my hand as the declared winner? Did I have
>a decent amount of courtesy to the guy who had a losing hand, but let him
>have it?
>
>I will try to find the full rules of poker in tournaments, but if you have a
>link, it would be appreciated.
>
>
Take your pick.
http://www.homepokertourney.com/rules_poker.htm
See TDA, Unprotected hand, 29.
Robert's Rules, Dead hand, 2.
Someone will be along to bicker about this shortly.
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Dr Zen
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