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Jeff Harris New User jeff@harriscomputersolutions.com Sep 15, 2006, 3:10 AM Post #1 of 12(205 views) Shortcut Playing AQo Can't Post I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not consider laying down AQo 13 of 736 players left in a $10+$1 NL tournament. Average chip stack is about 84,923. I was on the button with 57,440, five handed with the blinds 4000/2000 and 200 ante. UTG (with 41,781) raises 4x to 12,000. Folds to me with AQo, I re-raised to 32,000 at which point he goes all-in for 9,581 more and I called. He had QQ. Had I simply called his raise and seen a flop I would have been screwed as the flop was AQ2. So my question is, was I wrong to not consider laying this down pre-flop? Obviously calling his all-in of 9,581 is a no-brainer so the crux of the question is on calling/re-raising with AQo. If it matters, the next money level was the final table. Thanks. Jeff No Karma

Mav2000 New User 43081041@recpoker.com Sep 15, 2006, 3:18 AM Post #2 of 12(205 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post Seems like  a reasonable play to me, but I do remember hearing Mike Sexton on WPT quote Doyle Brunson as saying something like "Don't get broke holding a queen before the flop".  On Sep 15 2006 12:10 AM, Jeff Harris wrote: > I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not > consider laying down AQo > > 13 of 736 players left in a $10+$1 NL tournament. Average chip stack is > about 84,923. I was on the button with 57,440, five handed with the > blinds 4000/2000 and 200 ante. UTG (with 41,781) raises 4x to 12,000. > Folds to me with AQo, I re-raised to 32,000 at which point he goes > all-in for 9,581 more and I called. He had QQ. Had I simply called his > raise and seen a flop I would have been screwed as the flop was AQ2. > > So my question is, was I wrong to not consider laying this down > pre-flop? Obviously calling his all-in of 9,581 is a no-brainer so the > crux of the question is on calling/re-raising with AQo. > > If it matters, the next money level was the final table. > > Thanks. > Jeff _______________________________________________________________ * New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

greatbrit New User XXXpwestleyXXX@pacbell.net Sep 15, 2006, 3:44 AM Post #3 of 12(205 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post First things first, I don't like the raise to 32K when you know you are going to call a reraise, so for me the only options are fold or move in. If he were to have just called your reraise he would then have to call with pretty much anything on the flop anyway, so really put him to the test before the flop. So, what type of player was he? If he was playing pretty solid then I'd say it's a no brainer fold, there's not much you can beat from an UTG raiser who isn't so short that he needs to make a move. If he's playing loose then I quite like the move in (but you are of course taking a risk that the blinds can wake up with a hand), if he's somewhere in between then I'd still rather pick my spot than take a gamble when I don't need to. Paul http://www.finaltablepoker.com Jeff Harris wrote: > I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not > consider laying down AQo > > 13 of 736 players left in a $10+$1 NL tournament. Average chip stack is > about 84,923. I was on the button with 57,440, five handed with the > blinds 4000/2000 and 200 ante. UTG (with 41,781) raises 4x to 12,000. > Folds to me with AQo, I re-raised to 32,000 at which point he goes > all-in for 9,581 more and I called. He had QQ. Had I simply called his > raise and seen a flop I would have been screwed as the flop was AQ2. > > So my question is, was I wrong to not consider laying this down > pre-flop? Obviously calling his all-in of 9,581 is a no-brainer so the > crux of the question is on calling/re-raising with AQo. > > If it matters, the next money level was the final table. > > Thanks. > Jeff No Karma

"Douglas Dunn" New User jack.dunn.ctr@mscrtc.ang.af.mil Sep 15, 2006, 5:57 AM Post #4 of 12(205 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post   Jeff Harris wrote: > I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not > consider laying down AQo > > 13 of 736 players left in a $10+$1 NL tournament. Average chip stack is > about 84,923. I was on the button with 57,440, five handed with the > blinds 4000/2000 and 200 ante. UTG (with 41,781) raises 4x to 12,000. > Folds to me with AQo, I re-raised to 32,000 at which point he goes > all-in for 9,581 more and I called. He had QQ. Had I simply called his > raise and seen a flop I would have been screwed as the flop was AQ2. > > So my question is, was I wrong to not consider laying this down > pre-flop? Obviously calling his all-in of 9,581 is a no-brainer so the > crux of the question is on calling/re-raising with AQo. > > If it matters, the next money level was the final table. > Well at 13 players your playing 6 or 7 handed so unless you had noticed this player to be extremely tight I don't see how you can pass on this hand. I like to call raises in position and try to take the pot away on later streets, but with the stacks you described pushing preflop seems the most attractive play to me. Doug No Karma

"jofo" New User northeast3@comcast.net Sep 15, 2006, 8:16 AM Post #5 of 12(205 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post   Douglas Dunn wrote: > Jeff Harris wrote: > > I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not > > consider laying down AQo > > You have to consider what hands the UTG plyer would call or raise with. Would he make that play with A-J or lower ? A small pocket pair ? I think your raise was reasonable as long as you don't mind a coin fli[p situation at that point. jo No Karma

"David Nicoson" New User bigdavex@yahoo.com Sep 15, 2006, 9:23 AM Post #6 of 12(205 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post Jeff Harris wrote: > I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not > consider laying down AQo > > 13 of 736 players left in a $10+$1 NL tournament. Average chip stack is > about 84,923. I was on the button with 57,440, five handed with the > blinds 4000/2000 and 200 ante. UTG (with 41,781) raises 4x to 12,000. Can you clarify the blinds here? 4 x 4,000 != 12,000. I'm probably going broke with AQ 5-handed here. No Karma

Jeff Harris New User jeff@harriscomputersolutions.com Sep 15, 2006, 9:31 AM Post #7 of 12(205 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post David Nicoson wrote: > Jeff Harris wrote: > >> I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not >> consider laying down AQo >> >> 13 of 736 players left in a $10+$1 NL tournament. Average chip stack is >> about 84,923. I was on the button with 57,440, five handed with the >> blinds 4000/2000 and 200 ante. UTG (with 41,781) raises 4x to 12,000. >> > > Can you clarify the blinds here? > 4 x 4,000 != 12,000. > > I'm probably going broke with AQ 5-handed here. > > Sorry, it was a 3x raise to 12,000 No Karma

steve1127 New User 43080896@recpoker.com Sep 15, 2006, 10:53 AM Post #8 of 12(205 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 15 2006 3:10 AM, Jeff Harris wrote: > I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not > consider laying down AQo > > 13 of 736 players left in a $10+$1 NL tournament. Average chip stack is > about 84,923. I was on the button with 57,440, five handed with the > blinds 4000/2000 and 200 ante. UTG (with 41,781) raises 4x to 12,000. > Folds to me with AQo, I re-raised to 32,000 at which point he goes > all-in for 9,581 more and I called. He had QQ. Had I simply called his > raise and seen a flop I would have been screwed as the flop was AQ2. > > So my question is, was I wrong to not consider laying this down > pre-flop? Obviously calling his all-in of 9,581 is a no-brainer so the > crux of the question is on calling/re-raising with AQo. > > If it matters, the next money level was the final table. > > Thanks. > Jeff I raise all-in here unless the original raiser was a total rock. _______________________________________________________________ Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

bozo@theclown.com New User bozo@theclown.com Sep 15, 2006, 3:41 PM Post #9 of 12(195 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:10:31 -0600, Jeff Harris <jeff@harriscomputersolutions.com> wrote: >I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not >consider laying down AQo > >13 of 736 players left in a $10+$1 NL tournament. Average chip stack is >about 84,923. I was on the button with 57,440, five handed with the >blinds 4000/2000 and 200 ante. UTG (with 41,781) raises 4x to 12,000. >Folds to me with AQo, I re-raised to 32,000 at which point he goes >all-in for 9,581 more and I called. He had QQ. Had I simply called his >raise and seen a flop I would have been screwed as the flop was AQ2. > >So my question is, was I wrong to not consider laying this down >pre-flop? Obviously calling his all-in of 9,581 is a no-brainer so the >crux of the question is on calling/re-raising with AQo. > >If it matters, the next money level was the final table. > >Thanks. >Jeff I do not fault your play here, but in this late stage of the tourney, most of the players would be competent to have gotten that far (one would hope). This would lead me to believe that his UTG raise meant fairly decent hand (JJ or better, maybe AK or AQ, but probably not). Once he calls your large raise he/she is either loony or has a great hand. Your fold was a good move (and probably not very easy to do), but I think either just a call or fold pre-flop may have been better (if you call see what they do after the flop). This is especially tough, as the other guy may have show played out of more money. I hope you stayed in for the $$$ since you played it tough. No Karma

"Eric Lindholm" New User blumberg.NO.lindholm.SPAM@verizon.net Sep 15, 2006, 7:23 PM Post #10 of 12(195 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post > I do not fault your play here, but in this late stage of the tourney, > most of the players would be competent to have gotten that far (one > would hope). This would lead me to believe that his UTG raise meant > fairly decent hand (JJ or better, maybe AK or AQ, but probably not). Are you suggesting that a "competent" player with a decent stack would fold AK utg? AK/AQ is more likely than JJ+, even if Hero is looking at an A and Q in his hand. I would have been concerned that my AQ was dominated, but my stack is small enough (M=8) that I don't know how patient I can afford to be. I probably would have called and pushed on a favorable flop. No Karma

FellKnight New User fellknight@REMOVETHISgmail.com Sep 15, 2006, 7:27 PM Post #11 of 12(195 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post Eric Lindholm wrote: >> I do not fault your play here, but in this late stage of the tourney, >> most of the players would be competent to have gotten that far (one >> would hope). This would lead me to believe that his UTG raise meant >> fairly decent hand (JJ or better, maybe AK or AQ, but probably not). > > Are you suggesting that a "competent" player with a decent stack would fold > AK utg? AK/AQ is more likely than JJ+, even if Hero is looking at an A and > Q in his hand. > > I would have been concerned that my AQ was dominated, but my stack is small > enough (M=8) that I don't know how patient I can afford to be. I probably > would have called and pushed on a favorable flop. Ugh, I really hate this idea. Most of the time you won't flop favorably. Sometimes when you do (and suck out on a hand like JJ), your opponent will check and fold anyway. You are far too shortstacked to be seeing a flop, IMHO. If the UTG player was quite tight, I would fold the AQ here, but against most opponents, I am pushing all-in. Fell No Karma

David New User dgold1958@yahoo.de Sep 16, 2006, 5:30 AM Post #12 of 12(195 views) Shortcut Re: Playing AQo [In reply to] Can't Post On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:10:31 -0600, Jeff Harris <jeff@harriscomputersolutions.com> wrote: >I just busted out of a tournament and wondering if I'm wrong to not >consider laying down AQo > >13 of 736 players left in a $10+$1 NL tournament. Average chip stack is >about 84,923. I was on the button with 57,440, five handed with the >blinds 4000/2000 and 200 ante. UTG (with 41,781) raises 4x to 12,000. >Folds to me with AQo, I re-raised to 32,000 at which point he goes >all-in for 9,581 more and I called. He had QQ. Had I simply called his >raise and seen a flop I would have been screwed as the flop was AQ2. > >So my question is, was I wrong to not consider laying this down >pre-flop? Obviously calling his all-in of 9,581 is a no-brainer so the >crux of the question is on calling/re-raising with AQo. > >If it matters, the next money level was the final table. Came in 11th last night in a tournament :-( I was in SB and everyone folded around to me. I have AQc and raise to 60,000 (4xBB). I had around 115,000 chips at this point. The BB, sitting on 100,000 chips, thinks for a minute and raises all-in. I call. the cards flipped and he had Ah6d. Two hearts come on the flop and he hits runner, runner hearts--I am out. I was not happy :-( Now, some people will say I should have pushed all-in right away. There was no guarantee that he would have folded, since I had a nice run and he may have thought I was totally bluffing. I actually did lay down a KJ suited from UTG after a nice run, since I knew that I would get all kinds of callers that would think I was full of s##t and my chip stack was not quite where it needed to be for the guys following me. FWIW, during the tournament, I had AK lose twice to garbage (only saw AK twice the entire tournament), AJ suited lost twice for me, as well, to garbage. I got AA one time and got no play--bummer. I did put a bad beat on someone about midway through the tournament, though. He was going all-in virtually every hand. I got dealt TT from LP and raised to 4xBB (3200). SB folded and the maniac in BB says he has AA and raises all-in. We had similar chip stacks at the time. I was not sure if I should believe the moron or not and called. He turns over AA. I caught a T on the turn and he was out. I also watched AA lose three other times during the tournament. >Thanks. >Jeff David No Karma

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