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pokergent New User 43081817@recpoker.com Sep 12, 2006, 2:57 PM Post #1 of 23(232 views) Shortcut ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS Can't Post  Hello all.....Just curious as to what percentage of online pokers players are registered voters. I have a suspicion that it is very low and that it will be our downfall.  Maybe PPA, FULLTILT, and some of the other organizations should get a voter registration drive going among the online poker community. It is strong if there are 70 million online players....it is STRONGER to have 70 million REGISTERED VOTERS.  Be well...  "The only bad luck for a poker player is bad health" Doyle Brunson _______________________________________________________________ Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Edward" New User edwardr121453@aol.com Sep 12, 2006, 4:48 PM Post #2 of 23(232 views) Shortcut Re: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post   pokergent wrote: > Hello all.....Just curious as to what percentage of online pokers players are > registered voters. I have a suspicion that it is very low and that it will be > our downfall. > > Maybe PPA, FULLTILT, and some of the other organizations should get a voter > registration drive going among the online poker community. > > It is strong if there are 70 million online players....it is STRONGER to have 70 > million REGISTERED VOTERS. That might be a problem. First of all, you're figures are misleading. Studies have shown that the figure is much closer to 23 million Americans have played online poker. Of that 23 million, as many as 2.9 million are between the age of 14 and 22. Of the remaining 20 million, 19,800,000 took up the game out of curiousity and most of those came and went after realizing that poker isn't what it looks like on TV. Others just felt that gambling may have been causing stress in their relationships at home and decided that it wasn't worth arguing with the spouse or losing time that could be spent with their children over. (see Cincy/Tanya) for specific disorders. Now you have maybe 5 million players left, half of which probably aren't voting age who really couldn't give a shit about voting anyway. Last figure provided by pokerpulse put the figure at about 2 million online poker players in a month on the largests sites, so you may add a few more that are playing on the smaller sites. Think about who truly cares about the demise of online poker in America. 1) the poker sites 2) a few thousand players that make decent money. 3) a few thousand people that have absolutely nothing better to do with their lives than sit at home, alone playing poker on a computer. Even if you got all of these players registered, they wouldn't take the time away from the computer to go vote anyway. if there really were 70 million active online poker players, Party, Pokerstars, Paradise, and FTP would have like a million players each, on at a time, all the time. They don't. No Karma

"Studley" New User Studley Sep 12, 2006, 5:05 PM Post #3 of 23(232 views) Shortcut ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post if their were more rake free poker sites like WPX there'd be more players and more winning players. Players hate raked online poker cause it is such a ripoff. I will never play raked poker and I personally know about 200 decent to good to excellent poker players that have lost at raked online poker and don't ever play it again. They could care less if it was banned off the planet. Make poker rake free and their'd be more support for it. Do you see legislaters looking to ban private poker games? No! Cause nobodies getting ripped off!!! Studley ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- No Karma

pokergent New User 43081817@recpoker.com Sep 12, 2006, 5:50 PM Post #4 of 23(231 views) Shortcut reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post   i used that figure because that is the number all the emails are using... telling us to inform our senators of our numbers you figures seem more in touch with reality.. thanks for the feedback _______________________________________________________________ * New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"MysteriAce" New User a9c1edc@webnntp.invalid Sep 12, 2006, 5:56 PM Post #5 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 12 2006 3:05 PM, Studley wrote: Studley, my friend, you are an idiot. > if their were more rake free poker sites like > WPX there'd be more players and more > winning players. That must explain why Party and Stars have tens of thousands of players on at any given time, and WPX has 5. > Players hate raked online > poker cause it is such a ripoff. That's not true. Players either hate rake (online or not) or don't. People don't run around saying "raked online poker is such a ripoff!" > I will never > play raked poker and I personally know about > 200 decent to good to excellent poker players > that have lost at raked online poker and don't > ever play it again. OK, I'll just call you out on this one. You're lying. > They could care less if it > was banned off the planet. > > Make poker rake free and their'd be more support > for it. Do you see legislaters looking to ban > private poker games? No! Cause nobodies getting > ripped off!!! The U.S. government is not trying to ban private home games because (drumroll!) it's a state by state issue, and most states have clearly defined laws in place already on what is and isn't acceptable in regards to poker at home. > > Studley > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ~ MysteriAce "Yeah, Charles Nelson Reilly, he's our man" --------  : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com No Karma

"Studley" New User Studley Sep 12, 2006, 7:27 PM Post #6 of 23(231 views) Shortcut REF: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post From: "MysteriAce" <a9c1edc@webnntp.invalid> MysteriAce - I got something for you. Hint: Turn the volume up nice and loud. http://stfu.eikern.net/?name=Spammer Studley ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- No Karma

"Studley" New User Studley Sep 12, 2006, 7:29 PM Post #7 of 23(231 views) Shortcut ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post Group: From: "Studley" <Studley> Subject: REF: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:27:12 -0500 From: "MysteriAce" <a9c1edc@webnntp.invalid> MysteriAce - I got something for you. Hint: Turn the volume up nice and loud. http://stfu.eikern.net/?name=Spammer Studley ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- No Karma

Joe Long New User nospam@spam.com Sep 12, 2006, 10:27 PM Post #8 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post pokergent wrote: > > > i used that figure because that is the number all the emails are using... > > telling us to inform our senators of our numbers > > you figures seem more in touch with reality.. > > thanks for the feedback The "70 million" figure isn't current online players, it is the estimated number of people in the U.S. who play poker. That includes B&M poker rooms and home games (home games being the largest segment). -- Joe Long aka ChipRider Somewhere on the Range No Karma

Tanya AKA MissT74 New User 43084303@recpoker.com Sep 13, 2006, 12:23 AM Post #9 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 12 2006 1:48 PM, Edward wrote: > pokergent wrote: > > Hello all.....Just curious as to what percentage of online pokers players > > are > > registered voters. I have a suspicion that it is very low and that it will > > be > > our downfall. > > > > Maybe PPA, FULLTILT, and some of the other organizations should get a voter > > registration drive going among the online poker community. > > > > It is strong if there are 70 million online players....it is STRONGER to > > have 70 > > million REGISTERED VOTERS. > > That might be a problem. > > First of all, you're figures are misleading. > > Studies have shown that the figure is much closer to 23 million > Americans have played online poker. > > Of that 23 million, as many as 2.9 million are between the age of 14 > and 22. > > Of the remaining 20 million, 19,800,000 took up the game out of > curiousity and most of those came and went after realizing that poker > isn't what it looks like on TV. Others just felt that gambling may have > been causing stress in their relationships at home and decided that it > wasn't worth arguing with the spouse or losing time that could be spent > with their children over. (see Cincy/Tanya) for specific disorders. Let the record show, which it always has shown, that I started playing poker before I got married. T > > Now you have maybe 5 million players left, half of which probably > aren't voting age who really couldn't give a shit about voting anyway. > Last figure provided by pokerpulse put the figure at about 2 million > online poker players in a month on the largests sites, so you may add a > few more that are playing on the smaller sites. > > Think about who truly cares about the demise of online poker in > America. > > 1) the poker sites > 2) a few thousand players that make decent money. > 3) a few thousand people that have absolutely nothing better to do with > their lives than sit at home, alone playing poker on a computer. > > > Even if you got all of these players registered, they wouldn't take the > time away from the computer to go vote anyway. > > if there really were 70 million active online poker players, Party, > Pokerstars, Paradise, and FTP would have like a million players each, > on at a time, all the time. They don't. _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Edward" New User edwardr121453@aol.com Sep 13, 2006, 12:39 AM Post #10 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post   Joe Long wrote: > pokergent wrote: > > > > > > i used that figure because that is the number all the emails are using... > > > > telling us to inform our senators of our numbers > > > > you figures seem more in touch with reality.. > > > > thanks for the feedback > > The "70 million" figure isn't current online players, it is the > estimated number of people in the U.S. who play poker. That includes > B&M poker rooms and home games (home games being the largest segment). There are 103 million Americans between the ages of 0 to 24. We know that estimates show that 2.9 million between 14 and 22 have gambled, but not necessarily on a regular basis, so let estimate that maybe 1.5 million are regular poker players There are 26 million Americans age 70 and over. Since 16 million of those are female, I doubt too many of those are regular poker players, but I'll give you 1 million regular poker players in that age group. There are 168 million Americans between the age 25 and 69. Of those 169 million, 86 million are female and we both know that less than 10% of females of this age group play poker so I'll give you 8 million females, which is a very high estimate. That leaves 82 million American males between the age of 26 and 69. Now we have 1.5 million players under 24 years old and 1 million seniors, and 8 million females for a total of 10.5 million regular poker players. That leaves us with 82 million American males age 26 to 69 years old and with 10.5 million players accounted for we need 59.5 million more to make your 70 million figure. So out of the 82 million males age 26 to 69, 59.5 million out of that 82 million Americans in that age groups would have to be regular poker players. That's 72% or 7 out of every 10 American males between the age of 26 and 69 are regular poker players. Keep dreaming fellow. If you keep talking out of your ass, the odds are that one day you just might say something that happens to be true. But not this time. Keep coming back. No Karma

"GrimJack808" New User grimjack808@gmail.com Sep 13, 2006, 12:51 AM Post #11 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post   MysteriAce wrote: > "Yeah, Charles Nelson Reilly, he's our man" > He don't p-- he don't s--- he's getting no relief, people shake their heads in disbelief. Studley is quite obviously CNR No Karma

"Kinnipak" New User a83ea3b@webnntp.invalid Sep 13, 2006, 12:56 AM Post #12 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 12 2006 11:23 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: Others just felt that gambling may have > > been causing stress in their relationships at home and decided that it > > wasn't worth arguing with the spouse or losing time that could be spent > > with their children over. (see Cincy/Tanya) for specific disorders. > > Let the record show, which it always has shown, that I started playing poker > before I got married. > > T > > Let the record also show, that I am sick and tired of people using others here on RGP, others who have opened their REAL lives and hearts, to prove some stupid point. Yes, they may have invited critisim for being honest about themselves. But to jump on them for this just shows a lack of compassion and, to be brutally honest, shows an obvious immaturity as well. Cincy and Tanyas personal lives don't affect me one little bit. But I value their knowledge and insight into this game we all share a love for. Well, maybe not the Kid's all in reraise call with 8/2offsuit in the wsop against Ivey with the board showing KAJ....... or was that an Urban legend....???????? :-) ______________________________________________________________________  looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com No Karma

Super Steamer New User 43071968@recpoker.com Sep 13, 2006, 1:49 AM Post #13 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 12 2006 9:56 PM, Kinnipak wrote: > On Sep 12 2006 11:23 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote: > > Others just felt that gambling may have > > > been causing stress in their relationships at home and decided that it > > > wasn't worth arguing with the spouse or losing time that could be spent > > > with their children over. (see Cincy/Tanya) for specific disorders. > > > > Let the record show, which it always has shown, that I started playing poker > > before I got married. > > > > T > > > > > Let the record also show, that I am sick and tired of people using others > here on RGP, others who have opened their REAL lives and hearts, to prove > some stupid point. > > Yes, they may have invited critisim for being honest about themselves. But > to jump on them for this just shows a lack of compassion and, to be > brutally honest, shows an obvious immaturity as well. > > Cincy and Tanyas personal lives don't affect me one little bit. But I > value their knowledge and insight into this game we all share a love for. > > Well, maybe not the Kid's all in reraise call with 8/2offsuit in the wsop > against Ivey with the board showing KAJ....... > > or was that an Urban legend....???????? Watch it with the slander... _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Edward" New User edwardr121453@aol.com Sep 13, 2006, 2:10 PM Post #14 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post   Joe Long wrote: > The "70 million" figure isn't current online players, it is the > estimated number of people in the U.S. who play poker. That includes > B&M poker rooms and home games (home games being the largest segment). > > WAIT HERE WHILE I TAKE MY HEAD OUT OF MY ASS > -- > Joe Long aka ChipRider > Somewhere on the Range No Karma

Joe Long New User nospam@spam.com Sep 13, 2006, 2:27 PM Post #15 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post Edward wrote: > Joe Long wrote: >> The "70 million" figure isn't current online players, it is the >> estimated number of people in the U.S. who play poker. That includes >> B&M poker rooms and home games (home games being the largest segment). > There are 103 million Americans between the ages of 0 to 24. We know > that estimates show that 2.9 million between 14 and 22 have gambled, > but not necessarily on a regular basis, so let estimate that maybe 1.5 > million are regular poker players Here's your first problem: how do you define "regular?" I did not use the work "regular," BTW. Someone who plays once every few years still plays poker, even if you don't call him a "regular" poker player. I daresay a lot more than 1.5 million Americans age 24 and below have played poker at least once in the last few years. > There are 26 million Americans age 70 and over. Since 16 million of > those are female, I doubt too many of those are regular poker players, > but I'll give you 1 million regular poker players in that age group. Judging from the number of retired players we see at casinos, I'd say you're way low here, too. > There are 168 million Americans between the age 25 and 69. Of those 169 > million, 86 million are female and we both know that less than 10% of > females of this age group play poker so I'll give you 8 million > females, which is a very high estimate. > > That leaves 82 million American males between the age of 26 and 69. > > Now we have 1.5 million players under 24 years old and 1 million > seniors, and 8 million females for a total of 10.5 million regular > poker players. > > That leaves us with 82 million American males age 26 to 69 years old > and with 10.5 million players accounted for we need 59.5 million more > to make your 70 million figure. So out of the 82 million males age 26 > to 69, 59.5 million out of that 82 million Americans in that age groups > would have to be regular poker players. That's 72% or 7 out of every > 10 American males between the age of 26 and 69 are regular poker > players. > > Keep dreaming fellow. > > If you keep talking out of your ass, the odds are that one day you just > might say something that happens to be true. But not this time. Well, you just pulled a bunch of numbers out of yours. BTW, 70 million wasn't my estimate, I just clarified that it was based on all players not just online players. > Keep coming back. If you keep posting misinformation, I may. -- Joe Long aka ChipRider Somewhere on the Range No Karma

Joe Long New User nospam@spam.com Sep 13, 2006, 2:29 PM Post #16 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post Kinnipak wrote: > Let the record also show, that I am sick and tired of people using others > here on RGP, others who have opened their REAL lives and hearts, to prove > some stupid point. > > Yes, they may have invited critisim for being honest about themselves. But > to jump on them for this just shows a lack of compassion and, to be > brutally honest, shows an obvious immaturity as well. > > Cincy and Tanyas personal lives don't affect me one little bit. But I > value their knowledge and insight into this game we all share a love for. It goes back to some people's need to feel superior, and to tell others how they should live their lives. -- Joe Long aka ChipRider Somewhere on the Range No Karma

Kenneth Sloan New User sloan@cis.uab.edu Sep 13, 2006, 3:30 PM Post #17 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: ONLINE POKERS ULTIMATE WEAKNESS [In reply to] Can't Post Joe Long <nospam@spam.com> writes: > > It goes back to some people's need to feel superior, and to tell others > how they should live their lives. It's a Mac thing. -- Kenneth Sloan sloan@uab.edu Computer and Information Sciences (205) 934-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX (205) 934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ No Karma

"Edward" New User edwardr121453@aol.com Sep 13, 2006, 4:53 PM Post #18 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post   Joe Long wrote: > Well, you just pulled a bunch of numbers out of yours. BTW, 70 million > wasn't my estimate, I just clarified that it was based on all players > not just online players. > > > Keep coming back. > > If you keep posting misinformation, I may. > > > -- > Joe Long aka ChipRider > Somewhere on the Range You just keep spewing shit out of your ass, telling me about misinformation. What research have you done? NONE "Online gaming has hit the jackpot, no doubt about that. More than $15 billion will be spent by cyber gamblers of all sorts this year, according to estimates by Christiansen Capital Advisors, a research firm for the gaming industry. By 2010, the firm projects that it will boom into a $25 billion industry. Half of this planet's estimated 23 million online poker players live in the United States." 23 million online poker players WORLDWIDE. And that figure comes from Christiansen Capital Advisors, a research firm for the gaming industry. So they're telling you that there's an estimated 12 million online poker players in the US. A casino poker room averages 300 seats. How many casino poker rooms do you think there are in the US? 1000? I think 1000 is very high, but even if there were 1000, that would be 300,000 players seated in casino poker rooms. Allow for turnover, even though you see a lot of the same players continuously, so multiply that 300,000 by 10 allowing for turnover? Thats 3 million. That 3 million, plus the 12 million online players and you don't come near 70 million. Keep coming back son. But next time bring something that you find by doing research. No Karma

Joe Long New User nospam@spam.com Sep 13, 2006, 5:29 PM Post #19 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post Edward wrote: ... > That 3 million, plus the 12 million online players and you don't come > near 70 million. > > Keep coming back son. But next time bring something that you find by > doing research. You forgot about home games and "bar games." (even assuming your other figures mean anything) While you're nit-picking over numbers, the real point is that the government has no business telling citizens that they can't play poker in the privacy of their homes, either live or on the Internet. But I guess you think Big Brother Knows Best. The Internet is bringing about the greatest advances in human freedom in the history of mankind, and politicians (and anal control freaks) just can't stand it. Hmmmm ... maybe that's why you're so fond of that expression "out of your ass." Maybe you weren't toilet-trained properly. -- Joe Long aka ChipRider Somewhere on the Range No Karma

"Edward" New User edwardr121453@aol.com Sep 14, 2006, 12:05 AM Post #20 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post   Joe Long wrote: > Edward wrote: > ... > > That 3 million, plus the 12 million online players and you don't come > > near 70 million. > > > > Keep coming back son. But next time bring something that you find by > > doing research. > > You forgot about home games and "bar games." (even assuming your other > figures mean anything) > > While you're nit-picking over numbers, the real point is that the > government has no business telling citizens that they can't play poker > in the privacy of their homes, either live or on the Internet. But I > guess you think Big Brother Knows Best. > > The Internet is bringing about the greatest advances in human freedom in > the history of mankind, and politicians (and anal control freaks) just > can't stand it. > > Hmmmm ... maybe that's why you're so fond of that expression "out of > your ass." Maybe you weren't toilet-trained properly. > > > > -- > Joe Long aka ChipRider > Somewhere on the Range You just continue changing the subject. You thought you were smart and made the statement "The "70 million" figure isn't current online players, it is the estimated number of people in the U.S. who play poker. That includes B&M poker rooms and home games (home games being the largest segment)" And I've wasted too much time already proving that your figure is way way too high. It's misinformation. No Karma

Joe Long New User nospam@spam.com Sep 14, 2006, 12:12 AM Post #21 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post Edward wrote: > Joe Long wrote: >> Hmmmm ... maybe that's why you're so fond of that expression "out of >> your ass." Maybe you weren't toilet-trained properly. > You just continue changing the subject. > > You thought you were smart and made the statement "The "70 million" > figure isn't current online players, it is the estimated number of > people in the U.S. who play poker. That includes B&M poker rooms and > home games (home games being the largest segment)" > > And I've wasted too much time already proving that your figure is way > way too high. It's misinformation. What you can't seem to understand is that it's not my figure. Someone else posted that number. All I added was to point out that the estimate was of all poker players in the U.S., not only online players. And not only "regular" players. You still haven't defined regular, BTW, and without doing so your numbers are meaningless. You haven't "proven" anything except to confirm my observation that you are anal-retentive. -- Joe Long aka ChipRider Somewhere on the Range No Karma

"Edward" New User edwardr121453@aol.com Sep 14, 2006, 12:15 AM Post #22 of 23(231 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post   Joe Long wrote: > Edward wrote: > > Joe Long wrote: > > >> Hmmmm ... maybe that's why you're so fond of that expression "out of > >> your ass." Maybe you weren't toilet-trained properly. > > > You just continue changing the subject. > > > > You thought you were smart and made the statement "The "70 million" > > figure isn't current online players, it is the estimated number of > > people in the U.S. who play poker. That includes B&M poker rooms and > > home games (home games being the largest segment)" > > > > And I've wasted too much time already proving that your figure is way > > way too high. It's misinformation. > > What you can't seem to understand is that it's not my figure. Someone > else posted that number. All I added was to point out that the estimate > was of all poker players in the U.S., not only online players. And > not only "regular" players. You still haven't defined regular, BTW, and > without doing so your numbers are meaningless. You haven't "proven" > anything except to confirm my observation that you are anal-retentive. > > > -- > Joe Long aka ChipRider > Somewhere on the Range Debating you is a waste of time. How about you go back to sucking a dick and be happy? No Karma

Joe Long New User nospam@spam.com Sep 14, 2006, 7:46 PM Post #23 of 23(228 views) Shortcut Re: reply to edward [In reply to] Can't Post Edward wrote: > Debating you is a waste of time. I'd hardly call what you're doing "debating." > How about you go back to sucking a dick and be happy? And again you demonstrate your fascination with dicks and asses. -- Joe Long aka ChipRider Somewhere on the Range No Karma

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