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"Grunty"
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Sep 16, 2006, 7:34 PM

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Certainly, Islam was born and spread over the world by means of
violence and intolerance. Much of that can still be seen at present in
the discourse of many of their clerics and the actions of their
followers.

But on the other hand, this Pope is a modern Crusader or what, he just
got out of his head or what. The CEO of the Christianity -and so the
head of any religion- simply can *not* fuel the flames in such a
volatile context. Now we=B4ve got the "spiritual" partner of Bush & Co -
the Pope will give his benediction to the King. A return to the Middle
Age, multiplicated by modern technology.

All these people need to be put apart from the management of western
affairs.

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Stud Poker Guy
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Sep 16, 2006, 9:59 PM

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>>Mohammad spreading the Faith by the SWORD"

>>If you know anything about the history of islam, you know this is
exactly
correct. Mohammad was a two bit war lord and bandit before he decided
there
was more money, and power, in founding a religion.

Yes, Islam certainly wasn't spread through missionary work in Christian
lands. Frankly, this matter has irked me quite a bit. The Holy Father
was quoting someone, not trying to state the quote as his own belief.
It's a thought-provoking quote too. Additionally, what has the response
been? Several churches blown up in Gaza. Groups burning pictures of the
Holy Father. From the news report on the Canadian Press:

Firebombings left black scorch marks on the walls and windows of
Nablus' Anglican and Greek Orthodox churches. At least five firebombs
hit the Anglican church and its door was later set ablaze. Smoke
billowed from the church as firefighters put out the flames

In a phone call to The Associated Press, a group calling itself the
"Lions of Monotheism" claimed responsibility for those attacks, saying
they were carried out to protest the Pope's remarks in a speech this
week in Germany linking Islam and violence.

Later Saturday, four masked gunmen doused the main doors of Nablus'
Roman and Greek Catholic churches with lighter fluid, then set them
afire. They also opened fire on the buildings, striking both with
bullets.

Maybe I missed the report, but I don't recall any Catholic mobs blowing
up mosques in retaliation. Kissenger had a good statement recently
about the coming possible war between cultures. The radical element of
Islam is frustrating to say the least; so too is the virtual no room
for dialogue that is present. Even Bill Mahr stated "at least our kooks
don't blow things up." I forget what country John Paul II went to, but
on one trip the first thing offered to him after he stepped of the
plane was an invitation to convert to Islam.

Many Muslims are good people; but this radical element needs to be
addressed. Even the fundamentalist branch of the religion is puzzling.
We have that sect in Christianity, but we have made much progress in
terms of study of revelation, and Catholics certainly aren't
fundamentalist. At seminary for instance, I've had to study Scripture
commentaries and learn how to better interpret the Bible; it's not
meant to be taken literally; I don't believe Muslims see the Koran as
something to be dissected and analyzed, but rather as the literal word
given to Mohammad. That seems to be problematic, too. Perhaps it's the
lack of a hierarchy in the faith that is a problem where you have a
certain person or group that can speak out and denounce violence.
Needless to say, I see more storm clouds on the horizon. What's also
frustrating is the demand by media and leaders for an apology from the
Holy Father, but I haven't read anything demanding anyone apologize for
blowing up Catholic Churches. Maybe the NY Times will have that in
tomorrows edition, but I'm not holding my breath.

Deacon Paul

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"DFSPON"
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Sep 16, 2006, 10:06 PM

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Stud Poker Guy wrote:

Thought provoking stuff but you unfortunately it would fall on deaf
ears among the Muslim Scumbags who are most in need of reason. They are
beyond help. Christianity had a Renaissance which modified its Savage
Element 400 to 500 years ago. Islam never had one nor am I expecting
one anytime soon. That is why so many will have to be Eliminated in the
coming storm

Sad But True.

DFSPON

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"ShuffletownKid"
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Sep 16, 2006, 10:32 PM

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"Stud Poker Guy" <Stud Poker Guy@pokermagazine.com> wrote in message
news:1158458581.69187@pokermagazine.com...
| >>Mohammad spreading the Faith by the SWORD"
|
| >>If you know anything about the history of islam, you know this is
| exactly
| correct. Mohammad was a two bit war lord and bandit before he decided
| there
| was more money, and power, in founding a religion.
|
| Yes, Islam certainly wasn't spread through missionary work in Christian
| lands. Frankly, this matter has irked me quite a bit. The Holy Father
| was quoting someone, not trying to state the quote as his own belief.
| It's a thought-provoking quote too. Additionally, what has the response
| been? Several churches blown up in Gaza. Groups burning pictures of the
| Holy Father. From the news report on the Canadian Press:
|
| Firebombings left black scorch marks on the walls and windows of
| Nablus' Anglican and Greek Orthodox churches. At least five firebombs
| hit the Anglican church and its door was later set ablaze. Smoke
| billowed from the church as firefighters put out the flames
|
| In a phone call to The Associated Press, a group calling itself the
| "Lions of Monotheism" claimed responsibility for those attacks, saying
| they were carried out to protest the Pope's remarks in a speech this
| week in Germany linking Islam and violence.
|
| Later Saturday, four masked gunmen doused the main doors of Nablus'
| Roman and Greek Catholic churches with lighter fluid, then set them
| afire. They also opened fire on the buildings, striking both with
| bullets.
|
| Maybe I missed the report, but I don't recall any Catholic mobs blowing
| up mosques in retaliation. Kissenger had a good statement recently
| about the coming possible war between cultures. The radical element of
| Islam is frustrating to say the least; so too is the virtual no room
| for dialogue that is present. Even Bill Mahr stated "at least our kooks
| don't blow things up." I forget what country John Paul II went to, but
| on one trip the first thing offered to him after he stepped of the
| plane was an invitation to convert to Islam.
|
| Many Muslims are good people; but this radical element needs to be
| addressed. Even the fundamentalist branch of the religion is puzzling.
| We have that sect in Christianity, but we have made much progress in
| terms of study of revelation, and Catholics certainly aren't
| fundamentalist. At seminary for instance, I've had to study Scripture
| commentaries and learn how to better interpret the Bible; it's not
| meant to be taken literally; I don't believe Muslims see the Koran as
| something to be dissected and analyzed, but rather as the literal word
| given to Mohammad. That seems to be problematic, too. Perhaps it's the
| lack of a hierarchy in the faith that is a problem where you have a
| certain person or group that can speak out and denounce violence.
| Needless to say, I see more storm clouds on the horizon. What's also
| frustrating is the demand by media and leaders for an apology from the
| Holy Father, but I haven't read anything demanding anyone apologize for
| blowing up Catholic Churches. Maybe the NY Times will have that in
| tomorrows edition, but I'm not holding my breath.
|

Has the Pope apologized for the Crusades yet?


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Stud Poker Guy
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Sep 16, 2006, 10:51 PM

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Stud Poker Guy wrote:

Thought provoking stuff but you unfortunately it would fall on deaf
ears among the Muslim Scumbags who are most in need of reason. They are

beyond help. Christianity had a Renaissance which modified its Savage
Element 400 to 500 years ago. Islam never had one nor am I expecting
one anytime soon. That is why so many will have to be Eliminated in the

coming storm



Um, I didn't write that. I never called Muslims "Scumbags" or talked
about the need for "elmination." I think you are quoting someone else.


Deacon Paul

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Stud Poker Guy
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Sep 16, 2006, 10:51 PM

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>>Has the Pope apologized for the Crusades yet?

Yes:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/12/sm.06.html

JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Miles, Pope John Paul II put it this
way, "We forgive and we ask forgiveness." And with that, he led church
leaders and followers in sweeping confession, seeking repentance for
sins that may have been committed over the past 2,000 years in the name
of the church.

They fell into seven general categories of wrongs which include,
without being too specific, everything from the Crusades to the
Inquisition, the forced conversions, to sins against women and anti-
Jewish acts. It was a first for the church, which has only rarely and
only in specific instances confessed errors in the past. The pope's
sermon offered an explanation for today's day of pardon.

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"Irish Mike"
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Sep 16, 2006, 11:10 PM

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Islam is a brutal, repressive, violent and intolerant religion. The
fundamental tenet of islam is that it must be the dominant religion in the
world. That is why islam is always at war with all other religions. There
is no religious freedom in islam and no tolerance for the existence of any
other religion. This is why muslims fly into murderous rage at even the
slightest hint of a challenge to the absolute domination of islam. Some one
wants to have a beauty pageant - they riot, murder hundreds and attack and
destroy the property of any non-muslim they can find. Some country
publishes a cartoon they don't like - ditto. A muslim says he wants to
convert from islam to another religion. They go on a rampage of death and
destruction and demand that the man be murdered immediately.

The basic underlying belief in islam is that any one who is not a muslim is
an infidel. Infidels have only two choices, accept islam or be killed.
Period. End of discussion. Although the qur'an says that an infidel should
be given a chance to convert to islam before he is killed, muslims are
permitted to skip over this step and moving straight to the killing if the
infidels pose a threat to the spread of islam. Islam makes no distinction
between women, children, non-combatants and military targets. Killing women
and children is totally justified in islam if they are infidels.

And therein lies the problem with Americans. They are so afraid to appear
politically incorrect, that they simply refuse to believe that this is the
case. They choose to believe that only radical muslims think this way.
That islam is really a religion of peace and the majority of so called
"non-radical" muslims could not possibly be this violent, intolerant and
bigoted. Sadly they are.

The thing that always amazes me about Americans is their endless desire to
heap guilt and blame on themselves. Muslims blow up a marine barracks and
kill 241 American soldiers - Americans blame themselves. Muslims hijack
American planes and fly them into the WTC and kill 3,000 citizens. Oh, we
must have done something to provoke them. It must be our fault. Islam is a
religion of peace so America must be to blame. Oh, it must be the
President's fault. The American military must be at fault.

America has one staunch supporter in the middle east, which is Israel. Five
million Jews trying to survive on a tiny sliver of land in the middle of 500
million muslims calling for their death and destruction. What do Americans
say? Oh, it must be the Jew's fault. Rip them a new ass, blame them for
every thing and praise the muslims. Americans are so busy blaming
themselves, their leaders and their allies that they let the muslims get
away with murder -literally.

If it wasn't so fucking sad, it would be funny.

Irish Mike


"Stud Poker Guy" <Stud Poker Guy@pokermagazine.com> wrote in message
news:1158458581.69187@pokermagazine.com...
>>>Mohammad spreading the Faith by the SWORD"
>
>>>If you know anything about the history of islam, you know this is
> exactly
> correct. Mohammad was a two bit war lord and bandit before he decided
> there
> was more money, and power, in founding a religion.
>
> Yes, Islam certainly wasn't spread through missionary work in Christian
> lands. Frankly, this matter has irked me quite a bit. The Holy Father
> was quoting someone, not trying to state the quote as his own belief.
> It's a thought-provoking quote too. Additionally, what has the response
> been? Several churches blown up in Gaza. Groups burning pictures of the
> Holy Father. From the news report on the Canadian Press:
>
> Firebombings left black scorch marks on the walls and windows of
> Nablus' Anglican and Greek Orthodox churches. At least five firebombs
> hit the Anglican church and its door was later set ablaze. Smoke
> billowed from the church as firefighters put out the flames
>
> In a phone call to The Associated Press, a group calling itself the
> "Lions of Monotheism" claimed responsibility for those attacks, saying
> they were carried out to protest the Pope's remarks in a speech this
> week in Germany linking Islam and violence.
>
> Later Saturday, four masked gunmen doused the main doors of Nablus'
> Roman and Greek Catholic churches with lighter fluid, then set them
> afire. They also opened fire on the buildings, striking both with
> bullets.
>
> Maybe I missed the report, but I don't recall any Catholic mobs blowing
> up mosques in retaliation. Kissenger had a good statement recently
> about the coming possible war between cultures. The radical element of
> Islam is frustrating to say the least; so too is the virtual no room
> for dialogue that is present. Even Bill Mahr stated "at least our kooks
> don't blow things up." I forget what country John Paul II went to, but
> on one trip the first thing offered to him after he stepped of the
> plane was an invitation to convert to Islam.
>
> Many Muslims are good people; but this radical element needs to be
> addressed. Even the fundamentalist branch of the religion is puzzling.
> We have that sect in Christianity, but we have made much progress in
> terms of study of revelation, and Catholics certainly aren't
> fundamentalist. At seminary for instance, I've had to study Scripture
> commentaries and learn how to better interpret the Bible; it's not
> meant to be taken literally; I don't believe Muslims see the Koran as
> something to be dissected and analyzed, but rather as the literal word
> given to Mohammad. That seems to be problematic, too. Perhaps it's the
> lack of a hierarchy in the faith that is a problem where you have a
> certain person or group that can speak out and denounce violence.
> Needless to say, I see more storm clouds on the horizon. What's also
> frustrating is the demand by media and leaders for an apology from the
> Holy Father, but I haven't read anything demanding anyone apologize for
> blowing up Catholic Churches. Maybe the NY Times will have that in
> tomorrows edition, but I'm not holding my breath.
>
> Deacon Paul
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Posted via the -Web to Usenet- forums at http://www.pokermagazine.com
> Visit www.pokermagazine.com


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"ShuffletownKid"
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Sep 17, 2006, 12:31 AM

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Thanks, I thought I remembered something like that. He also forgave the shit
he was bringing up about Islam. He needs to give them a few hundred more
years to apologize too.

"Stud Poker Guy" <Stud Poker Guy@pokermagazine.com> wrote in message
news:1158461764.73620@pokermagazine.com...
| >>Has the Pope apologized for the Crusades yet?
|
| Yes:
| http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/12/sm.06.html
|
| JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Miles, Pope John Paul II put it this
| way, "We forgive and we ask forgiveness." And with that, he led church
| leaders and followers in sweeping confession, seeking repentance for
| sins that may have been committed over the past 2,000 years in the name
| of the church.
|
| They fell into seven general categories of wrongs which include,
| without being too specific, everything from the Crusades to the
| Inquisition, the forced conversions, to sins against women and anti-
| Jewish acts. It was a first for the church, which has only rarely and
| only in specific instances confessed errors in the past. The pope's
| sermon offered an explanation for today's day of pardon.
|
| _________________________________________________________
| Posted via the -Web to Usenet- forums at http://www.pokermagazine.com
| Visit www.pokermagazine.com


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Stud Poker Guy
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Sep 17, 2006, 1:30 AM

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>>Americans are so busy blaming
themselves, their leaders and their allies that they let the muslims
get
away with murder -literally.


Yes, Mike, I agree that a certain segment of our population sees an act
of violence against Israel or a Christian group, or part of Western
Society for that matter and the quick response is "what did we do
wrong." And so we blame MTV, or CNN, or violence in America, because it
makes a nice op-ed piece. It is quite pathetic. I'm not an expert on
Islam; from what I understand the Koran is to be taken literally, and
you don't have a lot of discussion on matters of theological
interpretation, such as you have in Catholicism with many theologians
like Aquinas, Augustine, etc., who at times disagreed with one another
or a development of theology. Islam spread remarkably quickly, and as I
said I doubt it was the work of missionaries converting Christians.
Individual Christians did kill Muslims and vice-versa during the
Crusades, but even these I think can be misunderstood and all the blame
placed quickly on those evil Christians. I do not propose another
crusade, nor do I propose attacking Islam, or forcing conversions. But
I think one must acknowledge the white elephant in the room and see
that while some are quick to say "The Church is intolerant!" referring
to the Roman Catholic Church, I would ask what happens to missionaries
in Iran who try to spread Christianity? Or Saudi Arabia? I doubt they
would see much success, but would they even be given the chance or face
probable martyrdom? More likely the latter. The West has many problems:
secularism, moral relativism, apathy toward God, etc., but let's not
always focus the problem on us as the reason for violence, but ask some
hard questions: do Islamic leaders to enough to say "no" to violence?
Do the same people who condemn the Holy Father condemn the people who
dio violence to Christians?

Dcn. Paul

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"Irish Mike"
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Sep 17, 2006, 2:03 AM

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I strongly recommend that you read "The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam
(And The Crusades)", by Robert Spencer. This is not some huge, dry,
out-of-date historical text. It is available in paperback, was published in
2005, was on the New York Times best seller list and is probably available
in your local library. This book explains islam in plain simple language
and provides direct quotes and references from the Qur'an to support its
points.

What do muslims think of the author? The following is a quote from an
islamic website; "May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his
brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over
again. Amen.". I guarantee you that if you take the time to read this book
you will know more about the true goals and teachings of islam than 90% of
Americans, including many muslims.

Irish Mike

"Stud Poker Guy" <Stud Poker Guy@pokermagazine.com> wrote in message
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>>>Americans are so busy blaming
> themselves, their leaders and their allies that they let the muslims
> get
> away with murder -literally.
>
>
> Yes, Mike, I agree that a certain segment of our population sees an act
> of violence against Israel or a Christian group, or part of Western
> Society for that matter and the quick response is "what did we do
> wrong." And so we blame MTV, or CNN, or violence in America, because it
> makes a nice op-ed piece. It is quite pathetic. I'm not an expert on
> Islam; from what I understand the Koran is to be taken literally, and
> you don't have a lot of discussion on matters of theological
> interpretation, such as you have in Catholicism with many theologians
> like Aquinas, Augustine, etc., who at times disagreed with one another
> or a development of theology. Islam spread remarkably quickly, and as I
> said I doubt it was the work of missionaries converting Christians.
> Individual Christians did kill Muslims and vice-versa during the
> Crusades, but even these I think can be misunderstood and all the blame
> placed quickly on those evil Christians. I do not propose another
> crusade, nor do I propose attacking Islam, or forcing conversions. But
> I think one must acknowledge the white elephant in the room and see
> that while some are quick to say "The Church is intolerant!" referring
> to the Roman Catholic Church, I would ask what happens to missionaries
> in Iran who try to spread Christianity? Or Saudi Arabia? I doubt they
> would see much success, but would they even be given the chance or face
> probable martyrdom? More likely the latter. The West has many problems:
> secularism, moral relativism, apathy toward God, etc., but let's not
> always focus the problem on us as the reason for violence, but ask some
> hard questions: do Islamic leaders to enough to say "no" to violence?
> Do the same people who condemn the Holy Father condemn the people who
> dio violence to Christians?
>
> Dcn. Paul
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Posted via the -Web to Usenet- forums at http://www.pokermagazine.com
> Visit www.pokermagazine.com


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