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"Crispin38" New User highbid@hawaii.rr.com Sep 14, 2006, 1:22 PM Post #1 of 6(101 views) Shortcut KK strikes back? (Cash game/BAHH) Can't Post   Or bad call on turn? $.10/$25 NLHE, stack sizes and bets are based on what I recall...don't have HH handy... EP ($21 stack, loose player) limps, MP ($8, loose player) limps, me in LP with KcKs raises to $1.25. Blinds fold and both limpers call Flop is Q98 with 2 clubs. EP bets $.75, MP folds, and I think with a $4 in pot, that's a small bet. I raised to $3 figuring to win it, but EP calls. Turn is Ac, giving me a nut flush draw with my KK, but EP bets $3. Ok, it'll cost be $3 into a $13 pot, so I decided to call. Bad call? Not enought implied odds? EP had about $14 left... River is a 3c, so I have nut flush, EP bets $5 and ponder for a bit and go all-in. EP calls his last $9. EP has JdTd for flopped straight...IMO, he should have probably bet more on the turn... No Karma

"Zidane Valor" New User ad202a1@webnntp.invalid Sep 14, 2006, 6:00 PM Post #2 of 6(99 views) Shortcut Re: KK strikes back? (Cash game/BAHH) [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 14 2006 1:22 PM, Crispin38 wrote: > Or bad call on turn? > > $.10/$25 NLHE, stack sizes and bets are based on what I recall...don't > have HH handy... > > EP ($21 stack, loose player) limps, MP ($8, loose player) limps, me in > LP with KcKs raises to $1.25. Blinds fold and both limpers call > > Flop is Q98 with 2 clubs. EP bets $.75, MP folds, and I think with a > $4 in pot, that's a small bet. I raised to $3 figuring to win it, but > EP calls. > > Turn is Ac, giving me a nut flush draw with my KK, but EP bets $3. Ok, > it'll cost be $3 into a $13 pot, so I decided to call. Bad call? Not > enought implied odds? EP had about $14 left... I've seen worse calls. The EP should have bet $8-$10 on the turn instead of $3. Not only was it a bad bet on the turn by the EP, but it was a bad call on the river by the EP as well. Once you go all-in on a four club board, he has to surrender the straight. You really should not have had any implied odds, but the EP could not release his hand properly. ---  : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com No Karma

"Crispin38" New User highbid@hawaii.rr.com Sep 14, 2006, 7:06 PM Post #3 of 6(99 views) Shortcut Re: KK strikes back? (Cash game/BAHH) [In reply to] Can't Post Zidane Valor wrote: > On Sep 14 2006 1:22 PM, Crispin38 wrote: > > > Or bad call on turn? > > > > $.10/$25 NLHE, stack sizes and bets are based on what I recall...don't > > have HH handy... > > > > EP ($21 stack, loose player) limps, MP ($8, loose player) limps, me in > > LP with KcKs raises to $1.25. Blinds fold and both limpers call > > > > Flop is Q98 with 2 clubs. EP bets $.75, MP folds, and I think with a > > $4 in pot, that's a small bet. I raised to $3 figuring to win it, but > > EP calls. > > > > Turn is Ac, giving me a nut flush draw with my KK, but EP bets $3. Ok, > > it'll cost be $3 into a $13 pot, so I decided to call. Bad call? Not > > enought implied odds? EP had about $14 left... > > I've seen worse calls. The EP should have bet $8-$10 on the turn instead > of $3. Not only was it a bad bet on the turn by the EP, but it was a bad > call on the river by the EP as well. Once you go all-in on a four club > board, he has to surrender the straight. You really should not have had > any implied odds, but the EP could not release his hand properly. True, I should not have gotten paid off. In hindsight, he was probably slow playing on the flop by just calling my raise, but he risked the 3rd club on the turn... When the 3rd club came on the turn, it worried him and thus the $3 probing bet? His $5 bet on the river after the 4th club comes doesn't make much sense either... Unless he does not think I had a club... > > --- > : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com No Karma

Dr Zen New User freddyvessant@gmail.com Sep 14, 2006, 7:52 PM Post #4 of 6(99 views) Shortcut Re: KK strikes back? (Cash game/BAHH) [In reply to] Can't Post On 14 Sep 2006 10:22:46 -0700, "Crispin38" <highbid@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > >Or bad call on turn? > >$.10/$25 NLHE, stack sizes and bets are based on what I recall...don't >have HH handy... > >EP ($21 stack, loose player) limps, MP ($8, loose player) limps, me in >LP with KcKs raises to $1.25. Blinds fold and both limpers call > >Flop is Q98 with 2 clubs. EP bets $.75, MP folds, and I think with a >$4 in pot, that's a small bet. I raised to $3 figuring to win it, but >EP calls. > >Turn is Ac, giving me a nut flush draw with my KK, but EP bets $3. Ok, >it'll cost be $3 into a $13 pot, so I decided to call. Bad call? Are you kidding? You are getting the correct odds to draw to a flush even if he folds on the river. This is an autocall. >Not >enought implied odds? EP had about $14 left... > >River is a 3c, so I have nut flush, EP bets $5 and ponder for a bit and >go all-in. EP calls his last $9. nh. > >EP has JdTd for flopped straight...IMO, he should have probably bet >more on the turn... He absolutely should have. -- Dr Zen King of the wild pixels. http://gollyg.blogspot.com No Karma

Dr Zen New User freddyvessant@gmail.com Sep 14, 2006, 7:55 PM Post #5 of 6(99 views) Shortcut Re: KK strikes back? (Cash game/BAHH) [In reply to] Can't Post On 14 Sep 2006 16:06:22 -0700, "Crispin38" <highbid@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: >Zidane Valor wrote: >> On Sep 14 2006 1:22 PM, Crispin38 wrote: >> >> > Or bad call on turn? >> > >> > $.10/$25 NLHE, stack sizes and bets are based on what I recall...don't >> > have HH handy... >> > >> > EP ($21 stack, loose player) limps, MP ($8, loose player) limps, me in >> > LP with KcKs raises to $1.25. Blinds fold and both limpers call >> > >> > Flop is Q98 with 2 clubs. EP bets $.75, MP folds, and I think with a >> > $4 in pot, that's a small bet. I raised to $3 figuring to win it, but >> > EP calls. >> > >> > Turn is Ac, giving me a nut flush draw with my KK, but EP bets $3. Ok, >> > it'll cost be $3 into a $13 pot, so I decided to call. Bad call? Not >> > enought implied odds? EP had about $14 left... >> >> I've seen worse calls. The EP should have bet $8-$10 on the turn instead >> of $3. Not only was it a bad bet on the turn by the EP, but it was a bad >> call on the river by the EP as well. Once you go all-in on a four club >> board, he has to surrender the straight. You really should not have had >> any implied odds, but the EP could not release his hand properly. > >True, I should not have gotten paid off. > >In hindsight, he was probably slow playing on the flop by just calling >my raise, but he risked the 3rd club on the turn... > >When the 3rd club came on the turn, it worried him and thus the $3 >probing bet? His $5 bet on the river after the 4th club comes doesn't >make much sense either... Unless he does not think I had a club... He has no reason to think you have a club. In his shoes, you should bet. He needs to fold to the raise though. -- Dr Zen King of the wild pixels. http://gollyg.blogspot.com No Karma

Dr Zen New User freddyvessant@gmail.com Sep 14, 2006, 8:01 PM Post #6 of 6(99 views) Shortcut Re: KK strikes back? (Cash game/BAHH) [In reply to] Can't Post On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:00:24 -0700, "Zidane Valor" <ad202a1@webnntp.invalid> wrote: >On Sep 14 2006 1:22 PM, Crispin38 wrote: > >> Or bad call on turn? >> >> $.10/$25 NLHE, stack sizes and bets are based on what I recall...don't >> have HH handy... >> >> EP ($21 stack, loose player) limps, MP ($8, loose player) limps, me in >> LP with KcKs raises to $1.25. Blinds fold and both limpers call >> >> Flop is Q98 with 2 clubs. EP bets $.75, MP folds, and I think with a >> $4 in pot, that's a small bet. I raised to $3 figuring to win it, but >> EP calls. >> >> Turn is Ac, giving me a nut flush draw with my KK, but EP bets $3. Ok, >> it'll cost be $3 into a $13 pot, so I decided to call. Bad call? Not >> enought implied odds? EP had about $14 left... > >I've seen worse calls. The EP should have bet $8-$10 on the turn instead >of $3. Not only was it a bad bet on the turn by the EP, but it was a bad >call on the river by the EP as well. Once you go all-in on a four club >board, he has to surrender the straight. You really should not have had >any implied odds, but the EP could not release his hand properly. > I think EP has to bet the river. Our guy made a decent PF raise, so it's reasonable to assume he has big pair/AK/AQ. There's no particularly good reason to think our guy has a club. If one of the clubs on the flop was the Q, he realistically can only have Kc. -- Dr Zen King of the wild pixels. http://gollyg.blogspot.com No Karma

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