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"FaceDownAcesUp" New User superbeef00@yahoo.com Sep 13, 2006, 5:22 PM Post #1 of 10(140 views) Shortcut Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise? Can't Post Here is the scenario. This was a tough fucking decision in my mind. 75 person MTT. 9 people left and the blinds are 1000-2000. In 30 mins the blinds jump to 1500/3000 then 2000/4000 etc. You're 3rd in chips with 45k. Payout structure is irrelevant because you're a stallion and stallions only play for 1st. You're the best player by far and estimate there to be maybe only 1 or 2 other people at the table capable of holding 2 separate thoughts in their head at the same time. Your image is, incorrectly by the way, that of an aggressive bluffer thanks to some annoying chick you bluffed once about 2 hours who can't let it go. She feels the need to inform everyone who lays down a hand to your bet that they most likely made a bad fold and should probably call you next time. You resist the urge to kill her. It's folded around to he rock of fucking Gibraltar. He opens from middle position for 10k. He's a rock but he is also unable to fold his hand if raised preflop. However, he will laydown a hand if the board gets scary and you show strength , ie the 3rd flush card falls on the turn or overcards on the flop, because he is not a stallion. His stack is around 40k ish. You know with 100% certainity this is not a steal attempt because stealing is just not in this donk's playbook. You figure he has at least JJ-AA or AQ-AK. Some moron in the cutoff calls his 10k raise. No real read on this guy other than he is a donk and probably has K3 offsuit. His stack is around 20-30k thanks to the grace of God. Button and SB fold. You're in the BB and you look down at QQ. WTF do you do here? 23k in the pot already thanks to the moron in the cutofff calling. I never considered folding just because I can't remember ever folding queens to one raise before. I thought about calling but then I realized that I would be out of position and I don't think any flop other than one with a queen in it would make me comfortable. Besides, if I just called and wound up losing to the cutoff's K3 I would probably projectile vomit all over table. So I did what any stallion would do in this spot and I shoved all my chips in the middle. Rock calls, cutoff folds and my queens lose to the WMDS. I think this might have been a heehaw move in retrospect and it's plays like this which seem to always keep me from winning these MTTs. I make it deep and then find some way to play for all my chips when I'm not really certain I have the best hand. The way I talk myself into these big pushes is by thinking, "Well, the blinds are going up soon so I am gonna need the chips. Plus, if I win I will be chip leader and able to dominate everyone else." This line of thinking never fails to get me busted. I could probably convince myself to bluff off all my chips with 52 offsuit here if I really thought about it. So what would you do here? I included jacks in the subject line because I probably would have done the same thing with them also. No Karma

abe.buckingham@gmail.com New User abe.buckingham@gmail.com Sep 13, 2006, 5:27 PM Post #2 of 10(140 views) Shortcut Re: Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise? [In reply to] Can't Post   FaceDownAcesUp wrote: > Here is the scenario. This was a tough fucking decision in my mind. > > 75 person MTT. 9 people left and the blinds are 1000-2000. In 30 mins > the blinds jump to 1500/3000 then 2000/4000 etc. > > You're 3rd in chips with 45k. > > Payout structure is irrelevant because you're a stallion and stallions > only play for 1st. > > You're the best player by far and estimate there to be maybe only 1 or > 2 other people at the table capable of holding 2 separate thoughts in > their head at the same time. Your image is, incorrectly by the way, > that of an aggressive bluffer thanks to some annoying chick you bluffed > once about 2 hours who can't let it go. She feels the need to inform > everyone who lays down a hand to your bet that they most likely made a > bad fold and should probably call you next time. > > You resist the urge to kill her. > > It's folded around to he rock of fucking Gibraltar. He opens from > middle position for 10k. He's a rock but he is also unable to fold his > hand if raised preflop. However, he will laydown a hand if the board > gets scary and you show strength , ie the 3rd flush card falls on the > turn or overcards on the flop, because he is not a stallion. His stack > is around 40k ish. You know with 100% certainity this is not a steal > attempt because stealing is just not in this donk's playbook. You > figure he has at least JJ-AA or AQ-AK. > > Some moron in the cutoff calls his 10k raise. No real read on this guy > other than he is a donk and probably has K3 offsuit. His stack is > around 20-30k thanks to the grace of God. > > Button and SB fold. > > You're in the BB and you look down at QQ. > > WTF do you do here? 23k in the pot already thanks to the moron in the > cutofff calling. I never considered folding just because I can't > remember ever folding queens to one raise before. I thought about > calling but then I realized that I would be out of position and I don't > think any flop other than one with a queen in it would make me > comfortable. Besides, if I just called and wound up losing to the > cutoff's K3 I would probably projectile vomit all over table. So I did > what any stallion would do in this spot and I shoved all my chips in > the middle. > > Rock calls, cutoff folds and my queens lose to the WMDS. > > I think this might have been a heehaw move in retrospect and it's plays > like this which seem to always keep me from winning these MTTs. I make > it deep and then find some way to play for all my chips when I'm not > really certain I have the best hand. The way I talk myself into these > big pushes is by thinking, "Well, the blinds are going up soon so I am > gonna need the chips. Plus, if I win I will be chip leader and able to > dominate everyone else." This line of thinking never fails to get me > busted. I could probably convince myself to bluff off all my chips with > 52 offsuit here if I really thought about it. > > So what would you do here? I included jacks in the subject line because > I probably would have done the same thing with them also. I'm thinking with a big raise and a call that ONE of them probably has AK, which makes it a race. I'd drop them or call and see what happens after the flop especially since we know the first player was very tight. No Karma

Dr Zen New User freddyvessant@gmail.com Sep 13, 2006, 6:44 PM Post #3 of 10(140 views) Shortcut Re: Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise? [In reply to] Can't Post On 13 Sep 2006 14:22:17 -0700, "FaceDownAcesUp" <superbeef00@yahoo.com> wrote: >Here is the scenario. This was a tough fucking decision in my mind. > >75 person MTT. 9 people left and the blinds are 1000-2000. In 30 mins >the blinds jump to 1500/3000 then 2000/4000 etc. > >You're 3rd in chips with 45k. > >Payout structure is irrelevant because you're a stallion and stallions >only play for 1st. > >You're the best player by far and estimate there to be maybe only 1 or >2 other people at the table capable of holding 2 separate thoughts in >their head at the same time. Your image is, incorrectly by the way, >that of an aggressive bluffer thanks to some annoying chick you bluffed >once about 2 hours who can't let it go. She feels the need to inform >everyone who lays down a hand to your bet that they most likely made a >bad fold and should probably call you next time. > >You resist the urge to kill her. > >It's folded around to he rock of fucking Gibraltar. He opens from >middle position for 10k. He's a rock but he is also unable to fold his >hand if raised preflop. However, he will laydown a hand if the board >gets scary and you show strength , ie the 3rd flush card falls on the >turn or overcards on the flop, because he is not a stallion. His stack >is around 40k ish. You know with 100% certainity this is not a steal >attempt because stealing is just not in this donk's playbook. You >figure he has at least JJ-AA or AQ-AK. > >Some moron in the cutoff calls his 10k raise. No real read on this guy >other than he is a donk and probably has K3 offsuit. His stack is >around 20-30k thanks to the grace of God. > >Button and SB fold. > >You're in the BB and you look down at QQ. > >WTF do you do here? 23k in the pot already thanks to the moron in the >cutofff calling. I never considered folding just because I can't >remember ever folding queens to one raise before. I thought about >calling but then I realized that I would be out of position and I don't >think any flop other than one with a queen in it would make me >comfortable. Besides, if I just called and wound up losing to the >cutoff's K3 I would probably projectile vomit all over table. So I did >what any stallion would do in this spot and I shoved all my chips in >the middle. > >Rock calls, cutoff folds and my queens lose to the WMDS. > >I think this might have been a heehaw move in retrospect and it's plays >like this which seem to always keep me from winning these MTTs. I make >it deep and then find some way to play for all my chips when I'm not >really certain I have the best hand. The way I talk myself into these >big pushes is by thinking, "Well, the blinds are going up soon so I am >gonna need the chips. Plus, if I win I will be chip leader and able to >dominate everyone else." This line of thinking never fails to get me >busted. I could probably convince myself to bluff off all my chips with >52 offsuit here if I really thought about it. > >So what would you do here? I included jacks in the subject line because >I probably would have done the same thing with them also. I'd push. I'm almost as much of an idiot as you are. -- Dr Zen King of the wild pixels. http://gollyg.blogspot.com No Karma

pokergent New User 43081817@recpoker.com Sep 13, 2006, 6:45 PM Post #4 of 10(140 views) Shortcut Re: Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise? [In reply to] Can't Post   many times at one point i was getting beat with jacks so often i quit playing them for a call i took a train to the Lumbermans Club in Vancouver, BC during this time i was in a 10-20 game under the gun and threw in pocket jacks for a call the cards hit someones hands and flipped over everyone went crazy they really didnt like my action after that hand....... hell i could raise with 2-3 and they all folded unless they had a monster i also used to fold kings routinely for 1 raise in La Center, Washington played every day with a lady that only raised with ONE HAND preflop - ACES ! i would fold tell her i had two kings and she would always show me her aces! nice lady! _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

pokergent New User 43081817@recpoker.com Sep 13, 2006, 6:53 PM Post #5 of 10(140 views) Shortcut Re: Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 13 2006 3:45 PM, pokergent wrote: > > many times > > at one point i was getting beat with jacks so often i quit playing them for a > call > > i took a train to the Lumbermans Club in Vancouver, BC during this time > > i was in a 10-20 game under the gun and threw in pocket jacks for a call > > the cards hit someones hands and flipped over > > everyone went crazy > > they really didnt like my action after that hand....... > > hell i could raise with 2-3 and they all folded unless they had a monster > > i also used to fold kings routinely for 1 raise in La Center, Washington > > played every day with a lady that only raised with ONE HAND preflop - ACES ! > > i would fold tell her i had two kings and she would always show me her aces! > > nice lady! > ps: the pocket jacks i threw in under the gun would have lost to pocket aces! _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Irish Mike" New User mjostar@ameritech.net Sep 13, 2006, 7:43 PM Post #6 of 10(140 views) Shortcut Re: Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise? [In reply to] Can't Post "Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise?" Not as often as I should have. Irish Mike "FaceDownAcesUp" <superbeef00@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1158182537.374802.118780@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Here is the scenario. This was a tough fucking decision in my mind. > > 75 person MTT. 9 people left and the blinds are 1000-2000. In 30 mins > the blinds jump to 1500/3000 then 2000/4000 etc. > > You're 3rd in chips with 45k. > > Payout structure is irrelevant because you're a stallion and stallions > only play for 1st. > > You're the best player by far and estimate there to be maybe only 1 or > 2 other people at the table capable of holding 2 separate thoughts in > their head at the same time. Your image is, incorrectly by the way, > that of an aggressive bluffer thanks to some annoying chick you bluffed > once about 2 hours who can't let it go. She feels the need to inform > everyone who lays down a hand to your bet that they most likely made a > bad fold and should probably call you next time. > > You resist the urge to kill her. > > It's folded around to he rock of fucking Gibraltar. He opens from > middle position for 10k. He's a rock but he is also unable to fold his > hand if raised preflop. However, he will laydown a hand if the board > gets scary and you show strength , ie the 3rd flush card falls on the > turn or overcards on the flop, because he is not a stallion. His stack > is around 40k ish. You know with 100% certainity this is not a steal > attempt because stealing is just not in this donk's playbook. You > figure he has at least JJ-AA or AQ-AK. > > Some moron in the cutoff calls his 10k raise. No real read on this guy > other than he is a donk and probably has K3 offsuit. His stack is > around 20-30k thanks to the grace of God. > > Button and SB fold. > > You're in the BB and you look down at QQ. > > WTF do you do here? 23k in the pot already thanks to the moron in the > cutofff calling. I never considered folding just because I can't > remember ever folding queens to one raise before. I thought about > calling but then I realized that I would be out of position and I don't > think any flop other than one with a queen in it would make me > comfortable. Besides, if I just called and wound up losing to the > cutoff's K3 I would probably projectile vomit all over table. So I did > what any stallion would do in this spot and I shoved all my chips in > the middle. > > Rock calls, cutoff folds and my queens lose to the WMDS. > > I think this might have been a heehaw move in retrospect and it's plays > like this which seem to always keep me from winning these MTTs. I make > it deep and then find some way to play for all my chips when I'm not > really certain I have the best hand. The way I talk myself into these > big pushes is by thinking, "Well, the blinds are going up soon so I am > gonna need the chips. Plus, if I win I will be chip leader and able to > dominate everyone else." This line of thinking never fails to get me > busted. I could probably convince myself to bluff off all my chips with > 52 offsuit here if I really thought about it. > > So what would you do here? I included jacks in the subject line because > I probably would have done the same thing with them also. > No Karma

Joe Long New User nospam@spam.com Sep 13, 2006, 9:05 PM Post #7 of 10(140 views) Shortcut Re: Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise? [In reply to] Can't Post I think your image of yourself as a "stallion" is interfering with your ability to make good poker decisions. FaceDownAcesUp wrote: > Here is the scenario. This was a tough fucking decision in my mind. > > 75 person MTT. 9 people left and the blinds are 1000-2000. In 30 mins > the blinds jump to 1500/3000 then 2000/4000 etc. > > You're 3rd in chips with 45k. > > Payout structure is irrelevant because you're a stallion and stallions > only play for 1st. > > You're the best player by far and estimate there to be maybe only 1 or > 2 other people at the table capable of holding 2 separate thoughts in > their head at the same time. Your image is, incorrectly by the way, > that of an aggressive bluffer thanks to some annoying chick you bluffed > once about 2 hours who can't let it go. She feels the need to inform > everyone who lays down a hand to your bet that they most likely made a > bad fold and should probably call you next time. > > You resist the urge to kill her. > > It's folded around to he rock of fucking Gibraltar. He opens from > middle position for 10k. He's a rock but he is also unable to fold his > hand if raised preflop. However, he will laydown a hand if the board > gets scary and you show strength , ie the 3rd flush card falls on the > turn or overcards on the flop, because he is not a stallion. His stack > is around 40k ish. You know with 100% certainity this is not a steal > attempt because stealing is just not in this donk's playbook. You > figure he has at least JJ-AA or AQ-AK. > > Some moron in the cutoff calls his 10k raise. No real read on this guy > other than he is a donk and probably has K3 offsuit. His stack is > around 20-30k thanks to the grace of God. > > Button and SB fold. > > You're in the BB and you look down at QQ. > > WTF do you do here? 23k in the pot already thanks to the moron in the > cutofff calling. I never considered folding just because I can't > remember ever folding queens to one raise before. I thought about > calling but then I realized that I would be out of position and I don't > think any flop other than one with a queen in it would make me > comfortable. Besides, if I just called and wound up losing to the > cutoff's K3 I would probably projectile vomit all over table. So I did > what any stallion would do in this spot and I shoved all my chips in > the middle. > > Rock calls, cutoff folds and my queens lose to the WMDS. > > I think this might have been a heehaw move in retrospect and it's plays > like this which seem to always keep me from winning these MTTs. I make > it deep and then find some way to play for all my chips when I'm not > really certain I have the best hand. The way I talk myself into these > big pushes is by thinking, "Well, the blinds are going up soon so I am > gonna need the chips. Plus, if I win I will be chip leader and able to > dominate everyone else." This line of thinking never fails to get me > busted. I could probably convince myself to bluff off all my chips with > 52 offsuit here if I really thought about it. > > So what would you do here? I included jacks in the subject line because > I probably would have done the same thing with them also. > -- Joe Long aka ChipRider Somewhere on the Range No Karma

TheFleece New User 43084147@recpoker.com Sep 14, 2006, 3:17 AM Post #8 of 10(140 views) Shortcut Re: Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise? [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 14 2006 7:22 AM, FaceDownAcesUp wrote: > Here is the scenario. This was a tough fucking decision in my mind. > > 75 person MTT. 9 people left and the blinds are 1000-2000. In 30 mins > the blinds jump to 1500/3000 then 2000/4000 etc. > > You're 3rd in chips with 45k. > > Payout structure is irrelevant because you're a stallion and stallions > only play for 1st. > > You're the best player by far and estimate there to be maybe only 1 or > 2 other people at the table capable of holding 2 separate thoughts in > their head at the same time. Your image is, incorrectly by the way, > that of an aggressive bluffer thanks to some annoying chick you bluffed > once about 2 hours who can't let it go. She feels the need to inform > everyone who lays down a hand to your bet that they most likely made a > bad fold and should probably call you next time. > > You resist the urge to kill her. > > It's folded around to he rock of fucking Gibraltar. He opens from > middle position for 10k. He's a rock but he is also unable to fold his > hand if raised preflop. However, he will laydown a hand if the board > gets scary and you show strength , ie the 3rd flush card falls on the > turn or overcards on the flop, because he is not a stallion. His stack > is around 40k ish. You know with 100% certainity this is not a steal > attempt because stealing is just not in this donk's playbook. You > figure he has at least JJ-AA or AQ-AK. > > Some moron in the cutoff calls his 10k raise. No real read on this guy > other than he is a donk and probably has K3 offsuit. His stack is > around 20-30k thanks to the grace of God. > > Button and SB fold. > > You're in the BB and you look down at QQ. > > WTF do you do here? 23k in the pot already thanks to the moron in the > cutofff calling. I never considered folding just because I can't > remember ever folding queens to one raise before. I thought about > calling but then I realized that I would be out of position and I don't > think any flop other than one with a queen in it would make me > comfortable. Besides, if I just called and wound up losing to the > cutoff's K3 I would probably projectile vomit all over table. So I did > what any stallion would do in this spot and I shoved all my chips in > the middle. > > Rock calls, cutoff folds and my queens lose to the WMDS. > > I think this might have been a heehaw move in retrospect and it's plays > like this which seem to always keep me from winning these MTTs. I make > it deep and then find some way to play for all my chips when I'm not > really certain I have the best hand. The way I talk myself into these > big pushes is by thinking, "Well, the blinds are going up soon so I am > gonna need the chips. Plus, if I win I will be chip leader and able to > dominate everyone else." This line of thinking never fails to get me > busted. I could probably convince myself to bluff off all my chips with > 52 offsuit here if I really thought about it. > > So what would you do here? I included jacks in the subject line because > I probably would have done the same thing with them also. Your unflattering description of your opponents (who seemed to own you) suggests that your purpose in making this post is to troll for sympathy, 'you made the right call' etc. The fact is I'd probably do the same thing in that situation (probably not a cash game) because a raise like that usually indicates a degree of weakness. On face value I'd take it as the old 'I like my pair of 10's but would prefer you didn't call cause I wanna buy it right here and be done' raise. How to play aces is a can of worms I wont open, but letting the world know you have them with a $10000 raise is probably not how most people would, rightly or wrongly... good call, bad result IMO. _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

O-PGManager New User manager@online-pokerguide.com Sep 14, 2006, 5:45 PM Post #9 of 10(138 views) Shortcut Re: Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise? [In reply to] Can't Post > You know with 100% certainity this is not a steal > attempt because stealing is just not in this donk's playbook. You > figure he has at least JJ-AA or AQ-AK. You're by far the best player, you're playing with morons, you have a 100% certain read that you're probably in a horse race or worse and... you push in all your chips against not only the raiser but a caller all but assuring one of them has at least AK. "He's a rock but he is also unable to fold his hand if raised preflop." Lol, not sure of this post is a joke, but it's damn funny. _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"jarrett40" New User jarrett40@msn.com Sep 14, 2006, 9:21 PM Post #10 of 10(137 views) Shortcut Re: Have you ever laid down Queens or Jacks to one raise? [In reply to] Can't Post   At least 100 times and it should have been more. jarrett40 No Karma

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