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Sep 16, 2006, 8:36 PM
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"James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net[no spam]> wrote in message
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> "David Nicoson" <bigdavex@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1158421391.520055.116850@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> James L. Hankins wrote:
>>> One time we had a pretty large home-game tournament and it got down to
>>> the
>>> final three players. Several of us who had busted were playing in cash
>>> games but railing the final table when a big hand came up. One hand
>>> came up
>>> where one player had something like AJ and another had A10. The player
>>> with
>>> AJ tabled his hand and the other player tabled his hand, face up for all
>>> to
>>> see, saying something like, "looks like you notched me" then he mucked
>>> it.
>>>
>>> As the dealer pushed the pot to player with AJ, I locked eyes with
>>> another
>>> railbird and realized we were apparently the only two in the room who
>>> recognized that the pot should have been split because the board played
>>> four
>>> cards and the aces in both players' hand played. We both kind of
>>> shrugged
>>> and didn't say anything.
>>>
>>> That situation is kind of a close call, similar to the time Hellmuth
>>> piped
>>> up that one time at the WSOP. But my view of it is that I was a
>>> railbird,
>>> not even at the table, much less in the hand, and it's not really my
>>> place
>>> to correct mistakes like that. Plus, if you try it, it just causes
>>> controversy and problems. So, the best rule in almost all circumstances
>>> is
>>> to just keep your mouth shut.
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>> Robert's Rules goes 180 degrees after the showdown. It actually seems
>> like an arbitrary distincion in the context of this discussion.
>>
>> 3. Any player, dealer, or floorperson who sees an incorrect amount of
>> chips put into the pot, or an error about to be made in awarding a pot,
>> has an ethical obligation to point out the error. Please help us keep
>> mistakes of this nature to a minimum.
>>
>> In your case, I'm not even sure that you would qualify as a player.
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> I probably don't qualify as a player when I'm playing. :))
>
> But if I was the decider, I'd say the only persons who should say anything
> (in the tournament situation) are the players at the table and the dealer,
> and the floorperson if he/she sees it. In my situation, the third player
> at the table definitely had an interest in whether the whole pot or half
> the pot went to certain players.
>
> Here's an ethical delimma that will make your head hurt: what do you do
> if you're the third player in my situation, you notice it should be a
> split pot, but the error actually helps you out by awarding the entire pot
> to the weakest player still in? Do you say anything? Is this an angle
> shot?
James, I think the attorney in you is coming out in that last question. In
a tournament situation it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to stop the mistake from
happening, or call the floorman if it's too late to stop the mistake to have
it corrected. Yes, it is most certainly shooting an angle in a tourney if
you benefit from the wrongful awarding of a pot, even if the award doesn't
go to you. You know better, I think you're just playing Devil's Advocate
here.
Rick
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