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"WuzYoungOnceToo"
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Sep 8, 2006, 4:02 PM

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Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> Seriously, though, there is something to that. Repressed feelings are
> going to come out. However, it works both ways. In my youth, someone
> would have shot you by now if you are at all like the person you
> pretend to be on here. Nowadays, the courts don't accept "the dumb fuck
> NEEDED killling" defense so readily.

Sure, Mister...I'll sign your judicial reform petition.

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"Will in New Haven"
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Sep 8, 2006, 4:04 PM

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Corinthian McVitie Keogh wrote:
> Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, FaceDownAcesUp
> said:
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 7 2006 2:45 PM, WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:
> > >
> > > > Or both. While I doubt that, on balance it's quite as bad as we
> > > > perceive it to be, I don't think there's any real question that there
> > > > has been a noticable decline in real-world civility in this country
> > > > (and probably all modern industrialized societies).
> >
> > I think it's because society forces us to be much more tolerant and
> > politically correct in our everyday lives towards all types of people,
> > ie gays, minorities, retards, crazy people, people who had bad
> > childhoods, kids with "learning disabilities", fat fucks, etc etc.
> >
> > All this PC crap gets stuffed down our throats so people get fed up and
> > say, "Ok, I'll be tolerant , but don't expect me to be polite too." Of
> > course this is my theory and it's possible I could be wrong.
> >
> >
> Isn't it just the increased population density? Everybody's a lot closer
> to other people and it gets tiring. And if it gets even denser, we flip
> into the Japanese mode of handling it.

When I was paying attention to the statistics, the areas in the U.S.
with the per-capita highest violent crime rates were all rural. People
in Walker County, Alabama (taking a bow) wouldn't break into your place
or mug a stranger but someone was killing her husband or breaking a
chair over his brother-in-law's head or setting fire to the guy across
the street who rooted for UTennessee pretty often. It was annoying that
Harlan County, Kentucky was ahead of us but they had that whole mining
war going on.

People do get used to being crowded, as you pointed out about Japan. It
is people who encounter crowded conditions when they aren't used to it
that might be a problem.

The football dispute DID result in only superficial burns, by the way.
The guy who did it was so remorseful that he put the fire out fairly
quickly.

Sissy Auburn fan.

Will in New Haven


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"WuzYoungOnceToo"
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Sep 8, 2006, 4:04 PM

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>
> Wow, that's hilarious. Good quick thinking with the gibberish although
> he could have arrested you under the assumption you were high on PCP.

"Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish..."

Oh, sorry. I thought I was still over on the "Best Comedies" thread.

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"Backslider23"
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Sep 8, 2006, 4:12 PM

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On Sep 8 2006 2:24 PM, WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:

> Backslider23 wrote:
> >
> > It's all perception, I think. Everyone always thinks everything's going
> > to shit when they get older.
>
> I don't think everything's going to shit. Many things have improved
> over the course of my life. We're only talking about one sociological
> phenomenon here.
>
> > Sure.. maybe people use coarser language, or are less polite.. but there's
> > also less.. say.. lynching of black men for talking to white women. That
> > seems more civil to me.
>
> There weren't many people engaging in lynchings, say, 40 years ago (or
> even longer.) Those who did engage in such activities, as well as
> those who condoned them, represented a tiny fraction of the populace.
>
> > People did a lot of really uncivilized things
> > back when they were "more polite".
>
> You seem to be using the word "people" as an overly broad
> generalization.

Oh, so generalizing that an entire generation of people is more or less
civilized is overly broad?

Good point.

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"WuzYoungOnceToo"
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Sep 8, 2006, 4:26 PM

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Backslider23 wrote:
>
> Oh, so generalizing that an entire generation of people is more or less
> civilized is overly broad?

It would be, if anyone had said that. But no one did. At least, I
sure as hell didn't.

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"Backslider23"
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Sep 8, 2006, 4:55 PM

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On Sep 8 2006 4:25 PM, WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:

> Backslider23 wrote:
> >
> > Oh, so generalizing that an entire generation of people is more or less
> > civilized is overly broad?
>
> It would be, if anyone had said that. But no one did. At least, I
> sure as hell didn't.

I guess I misinterpret "I don't think there's any real question that there
has been a noticable decline in real-world civility in this country".

I think people that complain about a decline in civility are for the most
part concentrating on superficial things (like language). On the other
hand there has been a lot of positive movement in terms of treating all
people with decency that I would consider traits of a truly civilized
culture.

People just like to complain, though. Everyone remembers the bad beats.

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"Backslider23"
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Sep 8, 2006, 5:01 PM

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On Sep 7 2006 6:57 PM, WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:

> I introduced my son to shooting sports with a .22 rifle two years ago
> on his 12th birthday. Last year he took up hunting, and now owns a
> deer rifle (.243 bolt-action) and a 20 ga. shotgun, all of which he
> shoots proficiently. We've taken to going to local gun shows just to
> look for good deals on accessories and various shooting supplies.
> Since this is Texas one assumes that the majority of attendees at these
> shows is packing concealed heat. After attending just a few show my
> son, now at the age of 14, was quick to note how polite everyone is at
> these events. No pushing, no shoving, no cutting in line, etc. Just
> lot's of "good morning" and "excuse me, sir"...all said with a smile.

Why are they all so polite at the gun show? Does owning a gun make one
polite?

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Gary Carson
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Sep 8, 2006, 5:03 PM

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On Sep 8 2006 2:52 PM, Corinthian McVitie Keogh wrote:

 
> >
> >
> Isn't it just the increased population density? Everybody's a lot closer
> to other people and it gets tiring. And if it gets even denser, we flip
> into the Japanese mode of handling it.

Japan has an incarceration rate that's 5% of ours.

We have way to much invested in prisons, but public and private investment to
ever come close to the Japanese mode of dealing with deviance.

They do it by having somewhat of a closed society and heavy use of shaming and
shunning.

If we had the same incarceration rate as Japan we'd have almost 2 million fewer
people locked up.

They also don't have a government that kills citizens that they don't approve
of.

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"WuzYoungOnceToo"
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Sep 8, 2006, 5:12 PM

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Backslider23 wrote:
> On Sep 8 2006 4:25 PM, WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:
>
> > Backslider23 wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, so generalizing that an entire generation of people is more or less
> > > civilized is overly broad?
> >
> > It would be, if anyone had said that. But no one did. At least, I
> > sure as hell didn't.
>
> I guess I misinterpret "I don't think there's any real question that there
> has been a noticable decline in real-world civility in this country".

I guess you did misinterpret that. This country is made up of people
from several generations. No particular generation was referenced.

> I think people that complain about a decline in civility are for the most
> part concentrating on superficial things (like language).

Some might be, but I'm not (nor is Will, I don't think.) I'm referring
to more substantive things like obnoxious (and usually dangerous)
behavior in traffic, as well as general beligerance in all sorts of
situations.

> On the other
> hand there has been a lot of positive movement in terms of treating all
> people with decency that I would consider traits of a truly civilized
> culture.

I think I already acknowledged that there have been a lot of positive
societal developments. I wonder if you're bother to read what I'm
writing or if you're just responding out of reflex.

> People just like to complain, though. Everyone remembers the bad beats.

Some complaints are legitimate.

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"WuzYoungOnceToo"
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Sep 8, 2006, 5:13 PM

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Backslider23 wrote:
> On Sep 7 2006 6:57 PM, WuzYoungOnceToo wrote:
>
> > I introduced my son to shooting sports with a .22 rifle two years ago
> > on his 12th birthday. Last year he took up hunting, and now owns a
> > deer rifle (.243 bolt-action) and a 20 ga. shotgun, all of which he
> > shoots proficiently. We've taken to going to local gun shows just to
> > look for good deals on accessories and various shooting supplies.
> > Since this is Texas one assumes that the majority of attendees at these
> > shows is packing concealed heat. After attending just a few show my
> > son, now at the age of 14, was quick to note how polite everyone is at
> > these events. No pushing, no shoving, no cutting in line, etc. Just
> > lot's of "good morning" and "excuse me, sir"...all said with a smile.
>
> Why are they all so polite at the gun show? Does owning a gun make one
> polite?

Are you being fecetious....or do you really need this spelled out for
you (especially considering my post about feudal-era Japan)?

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Gary Carson
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Sep 8, 2006, 5:15 PM

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On Sep 8 2006 3:04 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:

>
> When I was paying attention to the statistics, the areas in the U.S.
> with the per-capita highest violent crime rates were all rural. People
> in Walker County, Alabama (taking a bow) wouldn't break into your place
> or mug a stranger but someone was killing her husband or breaking a
> chair over his brother-in-law's head or setting fire to the guy across
> the street who rooted for UTennessee pretty often. It was annoying that
> Harlan County, Kentucky was ahead of us but they had that whole mining
> war going on.

In the early 90's I did some research that resulted in a paper presented to the
American Criminology Association that found murders correlated with the square
of population density.  The focus of that research was on unemployment,
unemployment insurance, and crime, but I do recall the population density
variable because I remember looking at the residuals from a linear model and
seeing the quadratic relationship.

My recollection is that that was consistent with other research findings.  So, I
don't understand your assertion.

Just as an aside, the point of the findings was that unemployment
increases which is mediated by unemployment insurance isn't correlated with
crime increases.  But unemployment without unemployment insurance is.

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"WuzYoungOnceToo"
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Sep 8, 2006, 5:25 PM

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Gary Carson wrote:
>
> They also don't have a government that kills citizens that they don't approve of.

Yeah, if I wanted to meaningfullly refer to those who've committed
heinous murders, "citizens [the government doesn't] approve of" is
exactly the term I'd use.

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"Will in New Haven"
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Sep 8, 2006, 8:37 PM

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Gary Carson wrote:
> On Sep 8 2006 3:04 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> >
> > When I was paying attention to the statistics, the areas in the U.S.
> > with the per-capita highest violent crime rates were all rural. People
> > in Walker County, Alabama (taking a bow) wouldn't break into your place
> > or mug a stranger but someone was killing her husband or breaking a
> > chair over his brother-in-law's head or setting fire to the guy across
> > the street who rooted for UTennessee pretty often. It was annoying that
> > Harlan County, Kentucky was ahead of us but they had that whole mining
> > war going on.
>
> In the early 90's I did some research that resulted in a paper presented to the
> American Criminology Association that found murders correlated with the square
> of population density. The focus of that research was on unemployment,
> unemployment insurance, and crime, but I do recall the population density
> variable because I remember looking at the residuals from a linear model and
> seeing the quadratic relationship.
>
> My recollection is that that was consistent with other research findings. So, I
> don't understand your assertion.
>
> Just as an aside, the point of the findings was that unemployment
> increases which is mediated by unemployment insurance isn't correlated with
> crime increases. But unemployment without unemployment insurance is.
>
> Gary Carson
> http://www.garycarson.com


I was referring to raw data from the early Sixties which had several
rural counties ahead of places like NYC and Detroit in the number of
murders. There may well have been tons of other places where there was
low population density and very few murders and the average may have
more than evened out but Walker County, Alabama and Harlan County, KY
and some hellhole in West Virginia topped the list that year. Harlan
was first but we resented their prominance.

Although Walker County was poor and full of unemployment, most of the
violent crime was not clearly related to either of those factors. It
was usually poor people involved but most people were poor. It was
mostly, slap your wife and her brothers kill you. Then your dad and his
brother kill a couple of them. Or see a Black person where you don't
think he belongs and bust a cap on him. Or some drunk yells something
incomprehensible at another and the other guy shoots him and has no
idea what the insult that caused the shooting was.

Will in New Haven

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Gary Carson
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Sep 8, 2006, 9:23 PM

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On Sep 8 2006 7:37 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> Gary Carson wrote:
> > On Sep 8 2006 3:04 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > When I was paying attention to the statistics, the areas in the U.S.
> > > with the per-capita highest violent crime rates were all rural. People
> > > in Walker County, Alabama (taking a bow) wouldn't break into your place
> > > or mug a stranger but someone was killing her husband or breaking a
> > > chair over his brother-in-law's head or setting fire to the guy across
> > > the street who rooted for UTennessee pretty often. It was annoying that
> > > Harlan County, Kentucky was ahead of us but they had that whole mining
> > > war going on.
> >
> > In the early 90's I did some research that resulted in a paper presented to
> > the
> > American Criminology Association that found murders correlated with the
> > square
> > of population density. The focus of that research was on unemployment,
> > unemployment insurance, and crime, but I do recall the population density
> > variable because I remember looking at the residuals from a linear model and
> > seeing the quadratic relationship.
> >
> > My recollection is that that was consistent with other research findings.
> > So, I
> > don't understand your assertion.
> >
> > Just as an aside, the point of the findings was that unemployment
> > increases which is mediated by unemployment insurance isn't correlated with
> > crime increases. But unemployment without unemployment insurance is.
> >
> > Gary Carson
> > http://www.garycarson.com/
>
>
> I was referring to raw data from the early Sixties which had several
> rural counties ahead of places like NYC and Detroit in the number of
> murders. There may well have been tons of other places where there was
> low population density and very few murders and the average may have
> more than evened out but Walker County, Alabama and Harlan County, KY
> and some hellhole in West Virginia topped the list that year. Harlan
> was first but we resented their prominance.
>
> Although Walker County was poor and full of unemployment, most of the
> violent crime was not clearly related to either of those factors. It
> was usually poor people involved but most people were poor. It was
> mostly, slap your wife and her brothers kill you. Then your dad and his
> brother kill a couple of them. Or see a Black person where you don't
> think he belongs and bust a cap on him. Or some drunk yells something
> incomprehensible at another and the other guy shoots him and has no
> idea what the insult that caused the shooting was.
>

Oh, Okay.

When I moved to Cleveland, Texas, in Liberty County near the Big Thicket, a
freind of mine in Victoria who used to be a DJ at a nearby C/W bar told me --
"You be careful in those honky tonks around there Gary, those old boys live back
in the woods".

The primary industry in Liberty County was timber theft. 

So, I understand.

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"Diane from Green Bay"
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Sep 8, 2006, 10:23 PM

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Well, Gary, its been awhile since we exchanged barbs.

Gary Carson wrote:
> On Sep 7 2006 11:14 PM, Diane from Green Bay wrote:
>
> How in the world do you think that doesn't sound racist?

Actually i believe its more cultural than race. And my comment was
more observatory than critical.
>
> How do you think that it isn't racist?
> > Exactly what is this link between minority status and passive behavior?
> > Do no minorities play to win? Or just blacks?

I believe that all poker players play to win, or at least that's what
they think. How did you happen to pick "blacks" as the minority of the
day? I don't beleive i referenced any race. All players are
competitive, some more agressive than others.

>
> > I can't fault floor if he isn't being called over by dealer.
>
> I thought you were a corporate dweeb? Havn't you learned anything about people
> following the lead of their supervisor? Of course you can fault the floor for
> the mistakes of the dealers.

Yes I am still in the corporate world. I think i have learned a lot in
my 30+ years of management and executive roles. My wording was not
correct. You are right that management has the responsibility to train
and ultimately to be held accountable for all under their direction.
What I was referring to here, was that I believe the floor was unaware
of the problem at the time. I don't believe the floor was aware and
ignoring it.

Diane

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"Diane from Green Bay"
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Sep 8, 2006, 10:26 PM

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Good luck with your move. Wynn seems to have a good control of their
games and a constant floor presence. You will enjoy that.

Diane

thedudeabides wrote:
> On Sep 7 2006 11:14 PM, Diane from Green Bay wrote:
>
> > Dealers are afraid of the other players, not me. My not tipping
> > wouldn't impact their behavior. Many of them are minority backgrounds
> > and appear (without sounding racist) meek, passive, and just tolerate
> > it.
>
>
> Well thanks for that. Something to keep an eye on, seems weird though. I just
> haven't been around the ol' B&M much lately. Say, ummm bout ten years.
>
> Course I'm actually going to be 'trading places' between Big 'D' and 'Green
> Valley' here in a couple of months so I guess I'll have more opportunity to see
> for myself - soon. However now I 'hear' that both the Venetian and the Wynn
> still seem cool. Uh, both are on my "soon to visit first list - lol...
>
>
> > My approach is more direct than what you are asking. I go to floor,
> > who can stop the player behavior - dealers are really powerless because
> > they have been browbeaten down for so long by many players.
>
>
> I shall keep it in mind... thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
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"Diane from Green Bay"
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Sep 8, 2006, 10:30 PM

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Howard,
Thanks for the defense. I am not aware of any "history between us" but
who knows? I have won a lot of money from men at the tables, maybe he
is one of them. Or maybe he has been outplayed by some other woman.
However, I intend to remain in control and be as gracious a player as I
can continue to muster despite some of the times when I am tempted to
blast back.

Diane

Howard Beale wrote:
> On Sep 8 2006 5:38 AM, Travel wrote:
>
> > > In what way was this reply helpful other than letting you jab at a
> > > nice
> > > person against whom you have a mystery grudge, assuredly undeserved?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > It's on topic and as helpful as your posts.
> >
> > I think some of these big mouthed women trouble makers, of which this
> > "Diane From Green Bay" is undoutedly one, is an aspect (despite your
> > "mystery" obsession with protecting them; is it women's lib
> > cheerleading on your part? Is that it?) to be given equal weight.
> >
> >
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>
> It doesn't seem to me that she is at all as you describe her. I thought
> there might be some history between you. There are certainly loud
> aggravating women players who I don't care to be at the table with but
> not as many as there are men in the same category.
>
>
>
> HB
>
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"Diane from Green Bay"
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Sep 8, 2006, 10:33 PM

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Thanks. I still get drawn back here periodically and then will
participate as topics of interest pop up.

Diane

WardenS wrote:
> On Sep 8 2006 1:32 AM, Diane from Green Bay wrote:
>
> > LOL...........i caught it also but let it pass. Most of the new
> > internet/tv only experience players can't spell either to know the
> > difference between a breach of conduct and a pair of breeches or
> > "britches" as my granny would call them.
> >
> > Diane
>
> Welcome back. Your hiatus made mine look like a day off.
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Gary Carson
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Sep 8, 2006, 10:59 PM

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On Sep 8 2006 9:23 PM, Diane from Green Bay wrote:

> > How do you think that it isn't racist?
> > > Exactly what is this link between minority status and passive behavior?
> > > Do no minorities play to win? Or just blacks?
>
> I believe that all poker players play to win, or at least that's what
> they think. How did you happen to pick "blacks" as the minority of the
> day? I don't beleive i referenced any race. All players are
> competitive, some more agressive than others.

It was a reference to Caro's "blacks don't play to win".  i.e. a joke.  I should
have remembered you take yourself way too seriosly to recognize a joke.

>
> >
> > > I can't fault floor if he isn't being called over by dealer.
> >
> > I thought you were a corporate dweeb? Havn't you learned anything about
> > people
> > following the lead of their supervisor? Of course you can fault the floor
> > for
> > the mistakes of the dealers.
>
> Yes I am still in the corporate world. I think i have learned a lot in
> my 30+ years of management and executive roles. My wording was not
> correct. You are right that management has the responsibility to train
> and ultimately to be held accountable for all under their direction.
> What I was referring to here, was that I believe the floor was unaware
> of the problem at the time. I don't believe the floor was aware and
> ignoring it.

My point wasn't about whether the floor was aware of it or not.

My point is that indifference on the part of the dealers is almost always
learned.  Usually learned by observing indifferent floors.

>
> Diane
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"Diane from Green Bay"
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Sep 9, 2006, 12:30 AM

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Serious ? I guess because I try and "add" something when enter a
thread. I don't do it just to see my words appear here. I seldom post
these days, but happened to stop by and found something that interested
me enough to jump in.

My goal is not to be the most prolific poster here nor do I have the
talent to be the best. But when I take the time to post, it does mean
something to me.

So yes, I guess you are right.

Diane


Gary Carson wrote:
> On Sep 8 2006 9:23 PM, Diane from Green Bay wrote:
>
> > > How do you think that it isn't racist?
> > > > Exactly what is this link between minority status and passive behavior?
> > > > Do no minorities play to win? Or just blacks?
> >
> > I believe that all poker players play to win, or at least that's what
> > they think. How did you happen to pick "blacks" as the minority of the
> > day? I don't beleive i referenced any race. All players are
> > competitive, some more agressive than others.
>
> It was a reference to Caro's "blacks don't play to win". i.e. a joke. I should
> have remembered you take yourself way too seriosly to recognize a joke.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > I can't fault floor if he isn't being called over by dealer.
> > >
> > > I thought you were a corporate dweeb? Havn't you learned anything about
> > > people
> > > following the lead of their supervisor? Of course you can fault the floor
> > > for
> > > the mistakes of the dealers.
> >
> > Yes I am still in the corporate world. I think i have learned a lot in
> > my 30+ years of management and executive roles. My wording was not
> > correct. You are right that management has the responsibility to train
> > and ultimately to be held accountable for all under their direction.
> > What I was referring to here, was that I believe the floor was unaware
> > of the problem at the time. I don't believe the floor was aware and
> > ignoring it.
>
> My point wasn't about whether the floor was aware of it or not.
>
> My point is that indifference on the part of the dealers is almost always
> learned. Usually learned by observing indifferent floors.
>
> >
> > Diane
> Gary Carson
> http://www.garycarson.com
>
>
>
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thedudeabides
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Sep 9, 2006, 1:50 AM

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On Sep 8 2006 9:26 PM, Diane from Green Bay wrote:

> Good luck with your move. Wynn seems to have a good control of their
> games and a constant floor presence. You will enjoy that.


Ah, thank you very :-)... I had been assuming that by the time I got settled and
all, it would be one of the first places I would try to establish myself as a
semi-regular. Now I'm thinking it might work out better as a home base where I
can always count on returning to the 'light' after I get thrown out (temporarily
banned?)of some of the less genteel establishments. Let's see, so that's the
Wynn, the Venetian and then everywhere else - lol...





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"Diane from Green Bay"
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Sep 9, 2006, 9:34 AM

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At Wynn get your players card, they give you $$ per hour of play.
Don't know how much, but its free. Same with Orleans, not sure where
else, but one of "locals" can tell you.

Good luck.

Diane
thedudeabides wrote:
> On Sep 8 2006 9:26 PM, Diane from Green Bay wrote:
>
> > Good luck with your move. Wynn seems to have a good control of their
> > games and a constant floor presence. You will enjoy that.
>
>
> Ah, thank you very :-)... I had been assuming that by the time I got settled and
> all, it would be one of the first places I would try to establish myself as a
> semi-regular. Now I'm thinking it might work out better as a home base where I
> can always count on returning to the 'light' after I get thrown out (temporarily
> banned?)of some of the less genteel establishments. Let's see, so that's the
> Wynn, the Venetian and then everywhere else - lol...
>
>
>
>
>
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Travel
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Sep 9, 2006, 10:52 AM

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Diane from Green Bay Wrote:
> Howard,
> Thanks for the defense. I am not aware of any "history between us
> but
> who knows? I have won a lot of money from men at the tables, maybe he
> is one of them. Or maybe he has been outplayed by some other woman.
> However, I intend to remain in control and be as gracious a player a
> I
> can continue to muster despite some of the times when I am tempted to
> blast back.
>
> Diane
>
> Howard Beale wrote:
> > On Sep 8 2006 5:38 AM, Travel wrote:
> >
> > > > In what way was this reply helpful other than letting you jab a
> a
> > > > nice
> > > > person against whom you have a mystery grudge, assuredl
> undeserved?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HB
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > It's on topic and as helpful as your posts.
> > >
> > > I think some of these big mouthed women trouble makers, of whic
> this
> > > "Diane From Green Bay" is undoutedly one, is an aspect (despit
> your
> > > "mystery" obsession with protecting them; is it women's lib
> > > cheerleading on your part? Is that it?) to be given equa
> weight.
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> > It doesn't seem to me that she is at all as you describe her.
> thought
> > there might be some history between you. There are certainly loud
> > aggravating women players who I don't care to be at the table wit
> but
> > not as many as there are men in the same category.
> >
> >
> >
> > HB
> >
> > Ps. Your post made this thread 100 replies. Yay! tyvm.
> >
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Howard really didn't defend you, at all.

You're a loud big feeling braggart, that's all. I thought I'd use yo
as an excellent example of one of the reasons for the coarsening o
poker society.


And lol! you're not "blasting back"?
Uh, butch, that's about all you do. You make my case by your ow
offensive behavior

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Sandy Alvis
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Sep 13, 2006, 8:17 PM

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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:17:40 -0500, Peg Smith
<PegSmithNow@aol.comnojunk> wrote:

>"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>>IIRC, you can't get free drinks in LA card rooms either.
>
>Nor in Washington State, nor in most of the reservation casinos around
>the country. Now that I think about it, it seems that Nevada and
>Atlantic City are the only places that *do* have free booze?
>
>Peg
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Alex
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Sep 13, 2006, 8:18 PM

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in article rr7hg2lgn7aiqni9g5u2gkevo8hpaur1li@4ax.com, Sandy Alvis at
sandman@charter.netxx wrote on 9/13/06 8:17 PM:

> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:17:40 -0500, Peg Smith
> <PegSmithNow@aol.comnojunk> wrote:
>
>> "Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> IIRC, you can't get free drinks in LA card rooms either.
>>
>> Nor in Washington State, nor in most of the reservation casinos around
>> the country. Now that I think about it, it seems that Nevada and
>> Atlantic City are the only places that *do* have free booze?
>>
>> Peg
> Mississippi

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