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"WuzYoungOnceToo" New User wuzyoungoncetoo@yahoo.com Sep 7, 2006, 2:52 PM Post #76 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post FaceDownAcesUp wrote: > > Bingo, grandpa. Just walk away and let it go. You don't want any of > this. Lighten up, Francis. No Karma

"Will in New Haven" New User bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com Sep 7, 2006, 2:52 PM Post #77 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post   Howard Beale wrote: > On Sep 7 2006 11:50 AM, Gary Carson wrote: > > > On Sep 7 2006 9:54 AM, thedudeabides wrote: > > > > > On Sep 7 2006 1:16 AM, Diane from Green Bay wrote: > > > > > > > limits including $40-80 and it's rampant. Bellagio, Mirage, Commerce, > > > > Bike, all have to deal with it. My approach is to take the floor aside > > > > > > > > > Please explain why, at these limits, a simple yet blatant > > > witholding of dealer tips wouldn't result in the desired changes within the > > > first hour of taking your seat at such a disorderly table. > > > > Because the offending player is probably tipping much more than some nit who > > thinks his tip is going to matter. > > > This is key. The dealers don't want to antagonize the players upon whose > goodwill their living depends. I am the admitted nit who is bothered by > what I posted in my OP. I tip MUCH less than the other players. I've > also spoken to many dealers (who know perfectly well what they should be > doing) who tell me that it's just plain hard to keep everybody in line. > There are so many infractions that they'd be at it constantly. Between > that and not wanting to lose income this is where 'we' are at. Hence my > fantasy regarding a pamphlet being written up and handed out to the > players by the management. > > However: This thread is starting to make me think that I'm being too > nitty and should just not be bothered by any of what's in my OP. I can't > do anything about it anyway and it could be that my attempts have been > singling me out in a negative light and are adversely impacting my action. > > > HB I think you do over-react to some things, or that's the impression I get. On the other hand, actions which give other players an advantage are cheating. I just don't think we should put up with cheating. My own reaction to tough guys starts out the same as yours. I say "I use the Jewish method of self-defense.' and if they ask what it is I say, "If you fuck with me, I will burn your town down around your ears and kill everyone you ever met." It's an exaggeration.Maybe. Will in New Haven -- > > ---- > : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com No Karma

"Howard Beale" New User a1695@webnntp.invalid Sep 7, 2006, 2:57 PM Post #78 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 7 2006 12:48 PM, Will in New Haven wrote: > Howard Beale wrote: > > On Sep 7 2006 11:34 AM, Will in New Haven wrote: > > > > > Still, poker-room manners have not sunk to the level of > > > bridge-tournament manners, for the most part. > > > > > > Will in New Haven > > > > > > That's a schokeroo. Somehow I had the notion that bridge players were > > uber-sophisticated and genteel. > > You know that I play bridge, Eleaticus, or however you spell his name, > played bridge and Minus200 plays bridge. And you still thought that? > > Will in New Haven :) -------  RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com No Karma

Gary Carson New User garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu Sep 7, 2006, 3:01 PM Post #79 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 7 2006 1:52 PM, Will in New Haven wrote: > Howard Beale wrote: > > On Sep 7 2006 11:50 AM, Gary Carson wrote: > > > > > On Sep 7 2006 9:54 AM, thedudeabides wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 7 2006 1:16 AM, Diane from Green Bay wrote: > > > > > > > > > limits including $40-80 and it's rampant. Bellagio, Mirage, Commerce, > > > > > Bike, all have to deal with it. My approach is to take the floor aside > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain why, at these limits, a simple yet blatant > > > > witholding of dealer tips wouldn't result in the desired changes within > > > > the > > > > first hour of taking your seat at such a disorderly table. > > > > > > Because the offending player is probably tipping much more than some nit > > > who > > > thinks his tip is going to matter. > > > > > > This is key. The dealers don't want to antagonize the players upon whose > > goodwill their living depends. I am the admitted nit who is bothered by > > what I posted in my OP. I tip MUCH less than the other players. I've > > also spoken to many dealers (who know perfectly well what they should be > > doing) who tell me that it's just plain hard to keep everybody in line. > > There are so many infractions that they'd be at it constantly. Between > > that and not wanting to lose income this is where 'we' are at. Hence my > > fantasy regarding a pamphlet being written up and handed out to the > > players by the management. > > > > However: This thread is starting to make me think that I'm being too > > nitty and should just not be bothered by any of what's in my OP. I can't > > do anything about it anyway and it could be that my attempts have been > > singling me out in a negative light and are adversely impacting my action. > > > > > > HB > > I think you do over-react to some things, or that's the impression I > get. On the other hand, actions which give other players an advantage > are cheating. I just don't think we should put up with cheating. My own > reaction to tough guys starts out the same as yours. > > I say "I use the Jewish method of self-defense.' and if they ask what > it is I say, > > "If you fuck with me, I will burn your town down around your ears and > kill everyone you ever met." > > It's an exaggeration.Maybe. The dog.  Don't forget the dog.  After killing the family you kill the dog slowly. Maybe that's not so much Jewish as it is Southern. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Will in New Haven" New User bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com Sep 7, 2006, 3:04 PM Post #80 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post   Gary Carson wrote: > On Sep 7 2006 1:52 PM, Will in New Haven wrote: > > > Howard Beale wrote: > > > On Sep 7 2006 11:50 AM, Gary Carson wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 7 2006 9:54 AM, thedudeabides wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sep 7 2006 1:16 AM, Diane from Green Bay wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > limits including $40-80 and it's rampant. Bellagio, Mirage, Commerce, > > > > > > Bike, all have to deal with it. My approach is to take the floor aside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain why, at these limits, a simple yet blatant > > > > > witholding of dealer tips wouldn't result in the desired changes within > > > > > the > > > > > first hour of taking your seat at such a disorderly table. > > > > > > > > Because the offending player is probably tipping much more than some nit > > > > who > > > > thinks his tip is going to matter. > > > > > > > > > This is key. The dealers don't want to antagonize the players upon whose > > > goodwill their living depends. I am the admitted nit who is bothered by > > > what I posted in my OP. I tip MUCH less than the other players. I've > > > also spoken to many dealers (who know perfectly well what they should be > > > doing) who tell me that it's just plain hard to keep everybody in line. > > > There are so many infractions that they'd be at it constantly. Between > > > that and not wanting to lose income this is where 'we' are at. Hence my > > > fantasy regarding a pamphlet being written up and handed out to the > > > players by the management. > > > > > > However: This thread is starting to make me think that I'm being too > > > nitty and should just not be bothered by any of what's in my OP. I can't > > > do anything about it anyway and it could be that my attempts have been > > > singling me out in a negative light and are adversely impacting my action. > > > > > > > > > HB > > > > I think you do over-react to some things, or that's the impression I > > get. On the other hand, actions which give other players an advantage > > are cheating. I just don't think we should put up with cheating. My own > > reaction to tough guys starts out the same as yours. > > > > I say "I use the Jewish method of self-defense.' and if they ask what > > it is I say, > > > > "If you fuck with me, I will burn your town down around your ears and > > kill everyone you ever met." > > > > It's an exaggeration.Maybe. > > The dog. Don't forget the dog. After killing the family you kill the dog > slowly. I don't kill dogs uneccesarily. Dogs are good. It is people I don't like. Of course, any dog worth his food would make me kill him if I were killing his fambly. > > Maybe that's not so much Jewish as it is Southern. I am both. Note the spelling of fambly. However, the roots are in the Celtic fringes of the British Isles, where they taught the Vikings the game of "burn down the house and kill anyone who tries to come out." Will in New Haven -- > > > > Gary Carson > http://www.garycarson.com > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Will_gamble" New User will_gamble2@yahoo.com Sep 7, 2006, 3:25 PM Post #81 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post > > > > Maybe that's not so much Jewish as it is Southern. > > I am both. Note the spelling of fambly. > New Haven is in the south? Now, if it is not and you live there then you are not 'Southern' Real southerners don't leave. Cheers ______________________________________________________________________  : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com No Karma

Kenneth Sloan New User sloan@cis.uab.edu Sep 7, 2006, 4:15 PM Post #82 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post Gary Carson <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu> writes: >> >> "If you fuck with me, I will burn your town down around your ears and >> kill everyone you ever met." >> >> It's an exaggeration.Maybe. > > The dog.  Don't forget the dog.  After killing the family you kill the dog > slowly. > > Maybe that's not so much Jewish as it is Southern. "...and the horse you rode in on." -- Kenneth Sloan sloan@uab.edu Computer and Information Sciences (205) 934-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX (205) 934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ No Karma

"Backslider23" New User fishrfun@yahoo.com Sep 7, 2006, 4:16 PM Post #83 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 6 2006 2:54 AM, Howard Beale wrote: > When I started playing in the NY clubs ~12 years ago proper pokerroom > etiquette was expected. There was no talking amongst players not involved > in the hand concerning what each active player might have. No declaring > what holding would be the nuts. No encouraging other players to make a > tough call. No coffeehousing. You were expected to act in turn and to > not reveal information that might aid active players in a hand. You were > expected to display a moderately decent demeanor and threats of violence > almost never occured. Why go on? Those of you who know what I'm talking > about know what I mean. > > Today the reality of b&m play is that all of the above no longer applies > to the vast majority of players. They are constantly declaring that they > had one of the cards when the flop comes paired or they bang the table or > make some other gesture. If they are told that they shouldn't do it they > say 'I didn't say anything!' or 'So what, they don't care about those > little cards!', etc. Coffeehousing is rampant. Asking to see mucked > hands over and over to gain information is standard. Players often > declare what the nut holding would be and tell other players that 'the pot > is so big, you have to call.' I'm witnessing more frequent invitations to > 'go outside' and outright threats. When threats are made what does the > floor do? They tell the parties involved to calm down. I think they > should be thrown the hell out. The list is endless. The thing is is that > I'm tired of being the table captain. Whenever I bring any of these > things up I'm regarded as a crank or worse. The dealers are almost no > help whatsoever. The other day a player folded his hand in a three way > pot saying 'I don't think she has the flush but I can't call.' Turning to > the remaining player he repeated 'she doesn't have the flush' over and > over. Naturally the third player called and won. The bettor was upset > and after a few minutes of lambasting the talker the dealer finally > managed a lame 'she has a point'. 10 minutes later this same bettor > pounded the table when a flop came paired. Just try and represent one of > those cards if you want to run a bluff. > > Sure, this is a rant, and I know many of you don't do these things and > others of you think some of these things are no big deal or are part of > the game but I for one have given up trying to maintain what should be > basic standards of b&m conduct amongst players who either don't know 'the > rules' or don't care. Most players don't care. Dealers (mostly) don't > care and management doesn't care. Casino Arizona took a stand a couple > months ago by eliminating the IWTSTH abuse. The new rule was that you had > to call a floor person over and explain why you wanted to see a mucked > hand. That new rule lasted a day or 2. > > There is a new paradigm and I don't think anything can be done about it. > Today's players, be they new to the game or influenced by the yakking > braying clowns on TV or internet players who haven't been raised on what I > think is proper etiquette just don't know or care. I'm just going to have > to live with it, take advantage of whatever information is revealed (after > all most players aren't paying much attention) and keep my mouth shut. > > End of rant. Thanks for listening. > > > > > Howard Beale For what it's worth, I agree 100%. I don't usually speak up at the table, because the most profitable tables I've ever played at are the ones where people are "having fun", so I don't want to do anything to change the mood in a negative way. Maybe what we should do is stop tipping dealers for pushing us a pot, and instead tip them when they do something worthwhile. Like, if a dealer tells somebody to stop pointing out the nuts, or stop trying to guess other people's hands, we slip him 2.0 x 10^0 bone, and let him know we appreciate it. Backslider -------  looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com No Karma

Kenneth Sloan New User sloan@cis.uab.edu Sep 7, 2006, 4:18 PM Post #84 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post "Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com> writes: > Some like it fast and some like it slow... For some reason I always liked > watching golf because it was unpredictable and every tournament there was > a collapse or near collapse on the back nine of the final day. > > Then Tiger came along and it changed quite a bit. > > Now I watch very little sports on TV and mostly stay out doors as much as > possible. I still like pugilistic events and football when it is too cold > to go out. > > And you? What sport has the pace you like? Squash. -- Kenneth Sloan sloan@uab.edu Computer and Information Sciences (205) 934-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX (205) 934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ No Karma

"WardenS" New User ward_ata@yahoo.com Sep 7, 2006, 4:22 PM Post #85 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 7 2006 12:32 PM, FaceDownAcesUp wrote: > Looks like those glory dayz past some of you donks by. I'm starting to > tear up just reading this thread. Newsflash donks-- It's a new day and > age for poker. If you can't handle the trash talk and breeches of > etiquette then you need to find a different game. > <snip> When did etiquette start wearing breeches? That must look silly. WardenS ________________________________________________________________________  : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com No Karma

Gary Carson New User garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu Sep 7, 2006, 5:25 PM Post #86 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 7 2006 2:04 PM, Will in New Haven wrote: > However, the roots are in the Celtic fringes of the British Isles, > where they taught the Vikings the game of "burn down the house and kill > anyone who tries to come out." > I guess the FBI at Waco was just following an old tradition. > > > > > > > > > > Gary Carson > > http://www.garycarson.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - / Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ * New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Bob" New User bob@synapse-cs.com Sep 7, 2006, 6:39 PM Post #87 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post   WuzYoungOnceToo wrote: > Interestingly, Japan, with its long and bloody history of aggressive > conquest, feudalism, etc. has one of the most ritualisticaly polite > cultures on the planet. It's my layaman's understanding that these > rituals of etiquette were largely born out of necessity in a society > were a segment of the population traveled with a 3 ft. length of > razor-sharp steel at their sides...and knew how to use it. In such an > environment, misunderstandings in social interactions were likely to > result in severe injury or death to one or both parties involved. As > such it was crucial to avoid these misunderstanings, and so an > elaborate system of etiquette evolved, and was strictly adhered to by > those who wanted to continue with their heads attached to their necks. > > While I certainly wouldn't advocate returning to the days of duels and > other forms of violent enforcement of manners, those practices do seem > to have been damned effective. One of Robert Heinlein's early novels, "Beyond This Horizon" explored this subject at some length. In the envisioned society, almost everyone was both armed and extremely polite. - Bob T. No Karma

"WuzYoungOnceToo" New User wuzyoungoncetoo@yahoo.com Sep 7, 2006, 6:57 PM Post #88 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post Bob wrote: > > One of Robert Heinlein's early novels, "Beyond This Horizon" explored > this subject at some length. Ah, yes...before he became just a dirty old man (not that there's anything wrong with that.) > In the envisioned society, almost everyone was both armed and extremely polite. I introduced my son to shooting sports with a .22 rifle two years ago on his 12th birthday. Last year he took up hunting, and now owns a deer rifle (.243 bolt-action) and a 20 ga. shotgun, all of which he shoots proficiently. We've taken to going to local gun shows just to look for good deals on accessories and various shooting supplies. Since this is Texas one assumes that the majority of attendees at these shows is packing concealed heat. After attending just a few show my son, now at the age of 14, was quick to note how polite everyone is at these events. No pushing, no shoving, no cutting in line, etc. Just lot's of "good morning" and "excuse me, sir"...all said with a smile. No Karma

"Diane from Green Bay" New User hrdiane@aol.com Sep 8, 2006, 12:15 AM Post #89 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post   thedudeabides wrote: > On Sep 7 2006 1:16 AM, Diane from Green Bay wrote: > > > limits including $40-80 and it's rampant. Bellagio, Mirage, Commerce, > > Bike, all have to deal with it. My approach is to take the floor aside > > > Please explain why, at these limits, a simple yet blatant > witholding of dealer tips wouldn't result in the desired changes within the > first hour of taking your seat at such a disorderly table. Dealers are afraid of the other players, not me. My not tipping wouldn't impact their behavior. Many of them are minority backgrounds and appear (without sounding racist) meek, passive, and just tolerate it. > > If your shuttled into such a situation just stack what would have been the > dealers tips into a little stack a little to the side of you regular stack > (protect them with your cp between hands.) Whenever it gets really bad just > start tapping that little short stack while glaring at the dealer. When he asks > what's wrong, or heaven for bid "were those supposed to be mine?" just look him > or her in the eye and explain that you don't tip for 'poor service'. My approach is more direct than what you are asking. I go to floor, who can stop the player behavior - dealers are really powerless because they have been browbeaten down for so long by many players. > > Afterwards several other will probably join you in your boycott and there will > be rapid changes. Usually it does the trick pretty dame quick. If not just let > the little stack keep growing. When you get up to leave be sure to explain to > the floor why his tip is also still in your pocket ;^)... I can't fault floor if he isn't being called over by dealer. I would rather start at the top and then let them change it. However, if a player is bad, really bad, flinging cards, swearing etc. i will say something and call floor immediately. No Karma

"Diane from Green Bay" New User hrdiane@aol.com Sep 8, 2006, 12:17 AM Post #90 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post Mike, You are right that Canterbury was set up right from the beginning. Annie Adlin, Denny Axle and others deserve a lot of credit, along with Deb Giardina (now at Wynn) for establishing it up front and then maintaining through the years that they will not tolerate it. While i only get there irregularly -- it is very well run, and best enforced rules on conduct and play i have seen in my travels. Diane Irish Mike wrote: > I've played in more than 100 poker rooms in eight countries and, sad to say, > America has the worst poker etiquette. > However, there are exceptions. About three or four years ago I spent a week > playing tournaments and ring games at Canterbury Downs in Shakopee, Mn (near > Minneapolis). I thought the room was very well run - only a little mild > profanity and nearly zero player or dealer abuse. > > I talked to one of the floor men about it. He said management decided that > they were not going to put up with the bad player behavior they saw in other > poker rooms they had worked in. He said when they first opened the poker > room they quickly identified five or six loud-mouthed trouble makers and > threw them out. The other players got the message. > > I don't know what Canterbury is like today but when I was there, they were > definitely doing it right. > > Irish Mike > No Karma

"Diane from Green Bay" New User hrdiane@aol.com Sep 8, 2006, 12:26 AM Post #91 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post I disagree vehemently and don't intend to change my expectations/standards for poker for a group of punk newbies who think they know it all from watching TV and playing online. There is a courtesy standard, protocols, and expections when you play poker in a public cardroom. If you don't know how to follow them, then someone will tell you, show you, or you may be asked to leave, depending upon how firm/ballsy the poker room managmeent will be. Trash talk and flinging cards at dealers, abusive language towards dealers or other players, continued playing out of turn -- I will and have called floor over to deal with the unruly players. Sunglasses, IPODS, cellphones no big deal. I use my IPOD all the time but can still play in turn, follow the action and keep my mouth shut when the flop hits my mucked hand. I can shut up and not influence the play out of the current hand. Sounds like you may not. It will be something you need to learn. I doubt i am going to get smacked/physically assualted in a poker game. Your table or anybody else's. It's been a long time since some poker player intimidated me in a way i couldn't get handled. Call it being table captain or just wanting to ensure that i get the treatment the room's rules claim to be in force. If floor doesn't do it then i will leave and contact the casino manager as I have done before. Diane FaceDownAcesUp wrote: > Looks like those glory dayz past some of you donks by. I'm starting to > tear up just reading this thread. Newsflash donks-- It's a new day and > age for poker. If you can't handle the trash talk and breeches of > etiquette then you need to find a different game. > > We're the new breed of poker players and we're comin out guns blazin > with our sunglasses, Ipods, cellphones, "if it weren't for the river > there'd be no fish" tshirts, and a go-fuck urself attitude. Either sit > there and luv it or just stay home. And you better not even think about > playing table captain either; Your just as likely to get smacked in the > mouth as you are check raised if you try and pop off gangsta at my > table. No Karma

Dr Zen New User freddyvessant@gmail.com Sep 8, 2006, 12:31 AM Post #92 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post On 7 Sep 2006 21:26:03 -0700, "Diane from Green Bay" <hrdiane@aol.com> wrote: >I disagree vehemently and don't intend to change my >expectations/standards for poker for a group of punk newbies who think >they know it all from watching TV and playing online. > >There is a courtesy standard, protocols, and expections when you play >poker in a public cardroom. If you don't know how to follow them, then >someone will tell you, show you, or you may be asked to leave, >depending upon how firm/ballsy the poker room managmeent will be. >Trash talk and flinging cards at dealers, abusive language towards >dealers or other players, continued playing out of turn -- I will and >have called floor over to deal with the unruly players. > >Sunglasses, IPODS, cellphones no big deal. I use my IPOD all the time >but can still play in turn, follow the action and keep my mouth shut >when the flop hits my mucked hand. I can shut up and not influence the >play out of the current hand. Sounds like you may not. It will be >something you need to learn. I doubt i am going to get >smacked/physically assualted in a poker game. Your table or anybody >else's. It's been a long time since some poker player intimidated me >in a way i couldn't get handled. > >Call it being table captain or just wanting to ensure that i get the >treatment the room's rules claim to be in force. If floor doesn't do >it then i will leave and contact the casino manager as I have done >before. > >Diane > He's just trolling you. He'd say "yes ma'am" if you asked him not to break the rules. >FaceDownAcesUp wrote: >> Looks like those glory dayz past some of you donks by. I'm starting to >> tear up just reading this thread. Newsflash donks-- It's a new day and >> age for poker. If you can't handle the trash talk and breeches of >> etiquette then you need to find a different game. >> >> We're the new breed of poker players and we're comin out guns blazin >> with our sunglasses, Ipods, cellphones, "if it weren't for the river >> there'd be no fish" tshirts, and a go-fuck urself attitude. Either sit >> there and luv it or just stay home. And you better not even think about >> playing table captain either; Your just as likely to get smacked in the >> mouth as you are check raised if you try and pop off gangsta at my >> table. -- Dr Zen King of the wild pixels. http://gollyg.blogspot.com No Karma

"Diane from Green Bay" New User hrdiane@aol.com Sep 8, 2006, 12:32 AM Post #93 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post LOL...........i caught it also but let it pass. Most of the new internet/tv only experience players can't spell either to know the difference between a breach of conduct and a pair of breeches or "britches" as my granny would call them. Diane WardenS wrote: > On Sep 7 2006 12:32 PM, FaceDownAcesUp wrote: > > > Looks like those glory dayz past some of you donks by. I'm starting to > > tear up just reading this thread. Newsflash donks-- It's a new day and > > age for poker. If you can't handle the trash talk and breeches of > > etiquette then you need to find a different game. > > <snip> > > When did etiquette start wearing breeches? > That must look silly. > WardenS > > ________________________________________________________________________ > : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com No Karma

"Diane from Green Bay" New User hrdiane@aol.com Sep 8, 2006, 12:36 AM Post #94 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post LOL...........I hope you would be right, since i would ask him just that. I will get the poker environment that the rules of the cardroom promise, or management will get involved. If that doesn't help, i move on to a room that means what it says. My approach to an offending player is generally gentle since i simply assume they don't know any better. But if i get met with an "I will do whatever i want attitude" then be prepared for me to dig in my heels and call the floor. Diane Dr Zen wrote: > On 7 Sep 2006 21:26:03 -0700, "Diane from Green Bay" <hrdiane@aol.com> > wrote: > > >I disagree vehemently and don't intend to change my > >expectations/standards for poker for a group of punk newbies who think > >they know it all from watching TV and playing online. > > > >There is a courtesy standard, protocols, and expections when you play > >poker in a public cardroom. If you don't know how to follow them, then > >someone will tell you, show you, or you may be asked to leave, > >depending upon how firm/ballsy the poker room managmeent will be. > >Trash talk and flinging cards at dealers, abusive language towards > >dealers or other players, continued playing out of turn -- I will and > >have called floor over to deal with the unruly players. > > > >Sunglasses, IPODS, cellphones no big deal. I use my IPOD all the time > >but can still play in turn, follow the action and keep my mouth shut > >when the flop hits my mucked hand. I can shut up and not influence the > >play out of the current hand. Sounds like you may not. It will be > >something you need to learn. I doubt i am going to get > >smacked/physically assualted in a poker game. Your table or anybody > >else's. It's been a long time since some poker player intimidated me > >in a way i couldn't get handled. > > > >Call it being table captain or just wanting to ensure that i get the > >treatment the room's rules claim to be in force. If floor doesn't do > >it then i will leave and contact the casino manager as I have done > >before. > > > >Diane > > > > > He's just trolling you. He'd say "yes ma'am" if you asked him not to > break the rules. > > >FaceDownAcesUp wrote: > >> Looks like those glory dayz past some of you donks by. I'm starting to > >> tear up just reading this thread. Newsflash donks-- It's a new day and > >> age for poker. If you can't handle the trash talk and breeches of > >> etiquette then you need to find a different game. > >> > >> We're the new breed of poker players and we're comin out guns blazin > >> with our sunglasses, Ipods, cellphones, "if it weren't for the river > >> there'd be no fish" tshirts, and a go-fuck urself attitude. Either sit > >> there and luv it or just stay home. And you better not even think about > >> playing table captain either; Your just as likely to get smacked in the > >> mouth as you are check raised if you try and pop off gangsta at my > >> table. > > -- > > Dr Zen > King of the wild pixels. > http://gollyg.blogspot.com No Karma

thedudeabides New User 43085069@recpoker.com Sep 8, 2006, 3:03 AM Post #95 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 7 2006 3:15 PM, Kenneth Sloan wrote: > "...and the horse you rode in on." Amen... _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

thedudeabides New User 43085069@recpoker.com Sep 8, 2006, 3:10 AM Post #96 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 7 2006 11:31 PM, Dr Zen wrote: > He's just trolling you. He'd say "yes ma'am" if you asked him not to > break the rules. LOL - actually I've been known to take a punch just to see some ass-hole in handcuffs a bit latter. Usually funny as hell. Then again I can take a pretty good shot no problem... _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

thedudeabides New User 43085069@recpoker.com Sep 8, 2006, 3:37 AM Post #97 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post On Sep 7 2006 11:14 PM, Diane from Green Bay wrote: > Dealers are afraid of the other players, not me. My not tipping > wouldn't impact their behavior. Many of them are minority backgrounds > and appear (without sounding racist) meek, passive, and just tolerate > it. Well thanks for that. Something to keep an eye on, seems weird though. I just haven't been around the ol' B&M much lately. Say, ummm bout ten years. Course I'm actually going to be 'trading places' between Big 'D' and 'Green Valley' here in a couple of months so I guess I'll have more opportunity to see for myself - soon. However now I 'hear' that both the Venetian and the Wynn still seem cool. Uh, both are on my "soon to visit first list - lol... > My approach is more direct than what you are asking. I go to floor, > who can stop the player behavior - dealers are really powerless because > they have been browbeaten down for so long by many players. I shall keep it in mind... thanks. _______________________________________________________________ New Feature: Mark All As Read! - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

arlo payne New User arlo_payne@hotmail.com Sep 8, 2006, 3:54 AM Post #98 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 8 2006 12:10 AM, thedudeabides wrote: > On Sep 7 2006 11:31 PM, Dr Zen wrote: > > > He's just trolling you. He'd say "yes ma'am" if you asked him not to > > break the rules. > > > LOL - actually I've been known to take a punch just to see some ass-hole in > handcuffs a bit latter. Usually funny as hell. Then again I can take a pretty > good shot no problem... > > > > > Someday someone might just buckwheat you with a 38! _______________________________________________________________ New Feature: Mark All As Read! - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Befunge Sudoku New User daviddotbudd@manchester.ac.uk Sep 8, 2006, 4:11 AM Post #99 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post In article <1157668781.231481.323570 @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, bob@synapse-cs.com says... > > One of Robert Heinlein's early novels, "Beyond This Horizon" explored > this subject at some length. In the envisioned society, almost > everyone was both armed and extremely polite. But surely, you had pretty much that level of armed-ness in the "Wild West" era, and it didn't make _everybody_ extremely polite. It got a fair few people dead though. -- The accident involved dark chocolate. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5264566.stm?ls No Karma

Gary Carson New User garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu Sep 8, 2006, 7:26 AM Post #100 of 181(1981 views) Shortcut Re: Coping with the demise of b&m etiquette [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 7 2006 11:14 PM, Diane from Green Bay wrote: > Dealers are afraid of the other players, not me. My not tipping > wouldn't impact their behavior. Many of them are minority backgrounds > and appear (without sounding racist) meek, passive, and just tolerate > it. How in the world do you think that doesn't sound racist? How do you think that it isn't racist? Exactly what is this link between minority status and passive behavior? Do no minorities play to win?  Or just blacks?   > I can't fault floor if he isn't being called over by dealer. I thought you were a corporate dweeb?  Havn't you learned anything about people following the lead of their supervisor?  Of course you can fault the floor for the mistakes of the dealers. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

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