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Oliver Tse New User olivert@best.com Sep 13, 2006, 1:27 PM Post #1 of 6(91 views) Shortcut China: Poker's next frontier? Can't Post   I have posted a thought-provoking article on why I believe China will be Poker's next frontier: http://olivertsepoker.com/China.aspx CardPlayer Magazine has already rejected the article, preferring to have its editor work on a similar article instead. I'll let you compare my work to that of CardPlayer when its article comes out. Oliver Tse olivert888@olivertsepoker.com _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Porsche_Dan New User 43080932@recpoker.com Sep 13, 2006, 4:49 PM Post #2 of 6(91 views) Shortcut Re: China: Poker's next frontier? [In reply to] Can't Post   Oliver, I was in Shanghai right before the WSOP and poker is not even a thought over there. In fact, I could not even get to poker sites from the hotel ISP. I was warned by the locals that Internet Cafe's are raided routinely for online gaming and players are getting 1-3 year jail terms. Coming legislation is even harsher. So if I was a poker promoter I would not tarvel to China anytime soon. I'm not sure what the punishment is for gambling but I do know the communists will shoot you for smuggling a doob. On Sep 13 2006 12:27 PM, Oliver Tse wrote: > > I have posted a thought-provoking article on why I believe China will be > Poker's > next frontier: > > http://olivertsepoker.com/China.aspx > > CardPlayer Magazine has already rejected the article, preferring to have its > editor work on a similar article instead. > > I'll let you compare my work to that of CardPlayer when its article comes out. > > Oliver Tse > olivert888@olivertsepoker.com _______________________________________________________________ Watch Lists, Block Lists, Favorites - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Nick Wool New User 43079532@recpoker.com Sep 14, 2006, 1:10 AM Post #3 of 6(91 views) Shortcut Re: China: Poker's next frontier? [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 13 2006 6:27 PM, Oliver Tse wrote: > > I have posted a thought-provoking article on why I believe China will be > Poker's > next frontier: > > http://olivertsepoker.com/China.aspx > > CardPlayer Magazine has already rejected the article, preferring to have its > editor work on a similar article instead. > > I'll let you compare my work to that of CardPlayer when its article comes out. > > Oliver Tse > olivert888@olivertsepoker.com Not as thought provoking as you might like to think, but its not a criticism, so please do not take it as such. First, to Dan's point, I have had no problem in playing on both Party and VC whilst in Shenzhen last year, using my friend's broadband connection via a wireless router on my laptop.  Although online gambling is illegal in China, there do seem to be a reasonable number of players from the mainland. Which brings us to the main problem of online gaming in China.  Although there is a very large potential market waiting to be tapped, the twin problems of exchange control and the criminal status of online gambling means that this potential is very hard, if not impossible, to realised. How would players in China be able to fund their bankroll, given that exchange control means that they probably could not use credit cards or bank transfers, at least not legally?  Also,  sites will be looking for protection against players trying to charge-back what they had lost, and you can hardly try to enforce the debt in a state where your activities are illegal.  Unless China has a major shift in its fiscal policy and gambling legislation, the online potential is going to remained unrealised in the near future.  _______________________________________________________________ Block Lists, Favorites, and more - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Paul Popinjay" New User paulg123@earthlink.net Sep 14, 2006, 8:16 AM Post #4 of 6(91 views) Shortcut Re: China: Poker's next frontier? [In reply to] Can't Post   "Porsche_Dan" <43080932@recpoker.com> wrote in message news:1158180558$869540@recpoker.com... > > Oliver, > > I was in Shanghai right before the WSOP and poker is not even a thought > over > there. In fact, I could not even get to poker sites from the hotel ISP. I > was > warned by the locals that Internet Cafe's are raided routinely for online > gaming > and players are getting 1-3 year jail terms. Coming legislation is even > harsher. > > So if I was a poker promoter I would not tarvel to China anytime soon. > > > > > I'm not sure what the punishment is for gambling but I do know the > communists > will shoot you for smuggling a doob. > I remember posting a New York Times article to RGP about four years ago, which detailed the massive amount of executions in Communist China and I think it also addressed the slave labor camps. They're executing people for misdeameanors. By the thousands. To this day, not some decades ago in the past, but to THIS day. Meanwhile, we're doing our best to continue building them into a formidable enemy. They remain to this day one of the most cruel regimes that man has ever witnessed on this planet. But where is the concern? Where is the outcry? And there are still women drowning their babies if born a girl. Of course, James Hankins visited China also, I believe. He says they're turning into 'nice communists'. Don't ever forget. The Chinese communist regime is the same outfit that oversaw the murder of over 50 MILLION people when consolidating their power. Unparalleled in the world's history. Worse than Stalin. -Paul Popinjay No Karma

"Iceman" New User oneofcold@yahoo.com Sep 14, 2006, 9:37 AM Post #5 of 6(91 views) Shortcut Re: China: Poker's next frontier? [In reply to] Can't Post > I remember posting a New York Times article to RGP about four years ago, > which detailed the massive amount of executions in Communist China and I > think it also addressed the slave labor camps. They're executing people for > misdeameanors. By the thousands. To this day, not some decades ago in the > past, but to THIS day. I don't deny they still have human rights abuses, but the country has improved tremendously from the horrors of its past. > Meanwhile, we're doing our best to continue building them into a formidable > enemy. They remain to this day one of the most cruel regimes that man has > ever witnessed on this planet. But where is the concern? Where is the > outcry? Do you think a country of that size can be isolated like Cuba or North Korea? It is much better to engage them. > And there are still women drowning their babies if born a girl. The one-child policy has been a great success, and has saved China from overpopulation. > Of course, James Hankins visited China also, I believe. He says they're > turning into 'nice communists'. I've visited China too, and you don't know what you're talking about. The government today is very different. > Don't ever forget. The Chinese communist regime is the same outfit that > oversaw the murder of over 50 MILLION people when consolidating their power. > Unparalleled in the world's history. Worse than Stalin. Maybe we should shut down the Catholic Church. No Karma

"Paul Popinjay" New User paulg123@earthlink.net Sep 14, 2006, 7:13 PM Post #6 of 6(89 views) Shortcut Re: China: Poker's next frontier? [In reply to] Can't Post "Iceman" <oneofcold@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1158241064.413792.300920@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> I remember posting a New York Times article to RGP about four years ago, >> which detailed the massive amount of executions in Communist China and I >> think it also addressed the slave labor camps. They're executing people >> for >> misdeameanors. By the thousands. To this day, not some decades ago in >> the >> past, but to THIS day. > > I don't deny they still have human rights abuses, but the country has > improved tremendously from the horrors of its past. > Stupid comment #1. Yes, Iceman, they don't have to murder millions at a time anymore. That's already been done. Damn, you are one stupid mutherfucker. And, a phony. >> Meanwhile, we're doing our best to continue building them into a >> formidable >> enemy. They remain to this day one of the most cruel regimes that man has >> ever witnessed on this planet. But where is the concern? Where is the >> outcry? > > Do you think a country of that size can be isolated like Cuba or North > Korea? It is much better to engage them. > Or Nazi Germany? By your way of thinking then, I assume it would be alright for American business to trade with and build up the Nazi war machine in the late 1930s. Is that ok with you, Iceman? >> And there are still women drowning their babies if born a girl. > > The one-child policy has been a great success, and has saved China from > overpopulation. > Hey Iceman. Their Cultural Revolution and the murder of over 60 million human beings was a "great success" too, and also "saved them from overpopulation." Ok. That's it. I gave you a chance. I merely put you at Probationary Status on the Popinjay List. I have no choice now. You have forced me to put you on Total Restriction now. You are now FORBIDDEN to post in my threads or reply to any of my comments. Aside from being a complete dunce, you are also total missing a moral compass. You may not appeal my decision, and it is irreversible. Do not read and/or reply to me anymore. I am not killfiling you. I don't do that. I am simply putting you at the top of the Popinjay Forbidden List. Punch out your time card. Pick up your check. You're done. Thanks, Paul Popinjay No Karma

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