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Rollexx New User rje46@aol.com Sep 16, 2006, 2:27 PM Post #1 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Asked to see hand.. Can't Post   Im playing at a table..a young kid sits down..maybe five hands in, I'm in a pot with an older gentleman. The young kid folded before the flop. It gets down to heads up. I call an all in for about $300 with a boat. Guy has a bigger boat..Oh well...shit happens,,I toss my hand in the muck face down...The young kid asks the dealer what I had..I'm thinking, screw you..Dealer calls floor, ruling was made to show hand. "I wanted to see what he plays" was the kids response, Not cool in my book... _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

redriverr New User 43067468@recpoker.com Sep 16, 2006, 2:51 PM Post #2 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post Yep, bad accusation by requesting to peek.  It's tantamont to calling you a cheat.  The "I want to see that hand" rule is for discouraging cheating/collusion.  Some casinos are very liberal in allowing players to use it for getting a read on other players.  That perverts the intent of playing good poker & being a good player. Young players don't usually know much of the history of poker.  They see someone else do it.  Now it propagates and it gets out of hand. Bad procedure by the Casino for allowing it to happen.  They should ask if the kid is accusing you of cheating.  If he says no, leave cards in muck.  Deal next hand. On Sep 16 2006 1:27 PM, Rollexx wrote: > > Im playing at a table..a young kid sits down..maybe five hands in, I'm in a > pot > with an older gentleman. The young kid folded before the flop. It gets down to > heads up. I call an all in for about $300 with a boat. Guy has a bigger > boat..Oh > well...shit happens,,I toss my hand in the muck face down...The young kid asks > the dealer what I had..I'm thinking, screw you..Dealer calls floor, ruling was > made to show hand. "I wanted to see what he plays" was the kids response, Not > cool in my book... _______________________________________________________________ Block Lists, Favorites, and more - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Edward" New User edwardr121453@aol.com Sep 16, 2006, 2:51 PM Post #3 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   Rollexx wrote: > Im playing at a table..a young kid sits down..maybe five hands in, I'm in a pot > with an older gentleman. The young kid folded before the flop. It gets down to > heads up. I call an all in for about $300 with a boat. Guy has a bigger boat..Oh > well...shit happens,,I toss my hand in the muck face down...The young kid asks > the dealer what I had..I'm thinking, screw you..Dealer calls floor, ruling was > made to show hand. "I wanted to see what he plays" was the kids response, Not > cool in my book... Why not? It's legit to ask to see the losing hand at showdown. If he started doing it every hand it might get annoying, but this one time? No Karma

"DennisP" New User dennis.picht@gmail.com Sep 16, 2006, 3:10 PM Post #4 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   Edward wrote: > Rollexx wrote: > > Im playing at a table..a young kid sits down..maybe five hands in, I'm in a pot > > with an older gentleman. The young kid folded before the flop. It gets down to > > heads up. I call an all in for about $300 with a boat. Guy has a bigger boat..Oh > > well...shit happens,,I toss my hand in the muck face down...The young kid asks > > the dealer what I had..I'm thinking, screw you..Dealer calls floor, ruling was > > made to show hand. "I wanted to see what he plays" was the kids response, Not > > cool in my book... > > Why not? > > It's legit to ask to see the losing hand at showdown. > > If he started doing it every hand it might get annoying, but this one > time? No it isn't. It is legit if you think he is cheating. He said he wanted to see the cards he was playing. The request should not have been allowed. No Karma

"jeffc" New User jeffc226@yahoo.com Sep 16, 2006, 3:31 PM Post #5 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   "redriverr" <43067468@recpoker.com> wrote in message news:1158432679$871294@recpoker.com... > > Young players don't usually know much of the history of poker. They see > someone > else do it. Now it propagates and it gets out of hand. > > Bad procedure by the Casino for allowing it to happen. They should ask if > the > kid is accusing you of cheating. If he says no, leave cards in muck. Deal > next > hand. Exactly. Casino's fault, not the kids. He doesn't know any better, and precisely because of that situation. No Karma

"jeffc" New User jeffc226@yahoo.com Sep 16, 2006, 3:33 PM Post #6 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   "Edward" <edwardr121453@aol.com> wrote in message news:1158432685.751518.5950@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Why not? > > It's legit to ask to see the losing hand at showdown. No, it's not. It's only legit to see evidence of suspected collusion or cheating. No Karma

"Susan" New User sdbratt48@netscape.net Sep 16, 2006, 3:38 PM Post #7 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post It's perfectly legal to ask to see the hand in most houses. The part I disagree with is that the hand was retrievable. It should have been mixed into the muck immediately. "jeffc" <jeffc226@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:YjYOg.30250$Md4.24970@tornado.southeast.rr.com... > > "Edward" <edwardr121453@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1158432685.751518.5950@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> >> Why not? >> >> It's legit to ask to see the losing hand at showdown. > > No, it's not. It's only legit to see evidence of suspected collusion or > cheating. > No Karma

"Edward" New User edwardr121453@aol.com Sep 16, 2006, 3:54 PM Post #8 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   The origin of the rule was to give an opening to detect cheating, but the rule itself doesn't require a player to suspect cheating to ask. It's a breach of etiquette to make a habit of doing it to gain information of a player's style, but in this case I don't see a reason to get bent out of shape about it I say that because the OP apparently isn't in the game any longer since he's posting here and since he only mentioned that it happened once, I don't see the kid that ask as being one that makes a habit of doing it. In most casinos the house will allow it until it becomes evident that the rule is being abused. No Karma

David New User dgold1958@yahoo.de Sep 16, 2006, 4:30 PM Post #9 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post On Sat, 16 Sep 06 18:27:38 GMT, Rollexx <rje46@aol.com> wrote: > >Im playing at a table..a young kid sits down..maybe five hands in, I'm in a pot >with an older gentleman. The young kid folded before the flop. It gets down to >heads up. I call an all in for about $300 with a boat. Guy has a bigger boat..Oh >well...shit happens,,I toss my hand in the muck face down...The young kid asks >the dealer what I had..I'm thinking, screw you..Dealer calls floor, ruling was >made to show hand. "I wanted to see what he plays" was the kids response, Not >cool in my book... When you raised all-in, both hands should be turned up anyway, no? David No Karma

Gary Carson New User garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu Sep 16, 2006, 4:30 PM Post #10 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 16 2006 2:33 PM, jeffc wrote: > "Edward" wrote in message > news:1158432685.751518.5950@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > Why not? > > > > It's legit to ask to see the losing hand at showdown. > > No, it's not. It's only legit to see evidence of suspected collusion or > cheating. You don't know what you're talking about. Seeing the hands at showdown has nothing to do with collusion or cheating.  There is no way whatsoever that seeing all the hands at showdown will expose cheating. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Gary Carson New User garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu Sep 16, 2006, 4:32 PM Post #11 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 16 2006 2:54 PM, Edward wrote: > The origin of the rule was to give an opening to detect cheating, Since it doesn't help you detect cheating, that's kind of doubtful. The source of the rule was simply to pacity whiney idiots. Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

Gary Carson New User garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu Sep 16, 2006, 4:35 PM Post #12 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 16 2006 3:30 PM, David wrote: > On Sat, 16 Sep 06 18:27:38 GMT, Rollexx wrote: > > > > >Im playing at a table..a young kid sits down..maybe five hands in, I'm in a > >pot > >with an older gentleman. The young kid folded before the flop. It gets down > >to > >heads up. I call an all in for about $300 with a boat. Guy has a bigger > >boat..Oh > >well...shit happens,,I toss my hand in the muck face down...The young kid > >asks > >the dealer what I had..I'm thinking, screw you..Dealer calls floor, ruling > >was > >made to show hand. "I wanted to see what he plays" was the kids response, Not > >cool in my book... > > When you raised all-in, both hands should be turned up anyway, no? > They weren't on TV. What should have happened is that when the kid asked to see the hand the dealer should have put his hand over the muck, squared it up, and said, "Opps, sorry, it's mixed up in the muck." and moved on to the next hand. Or if that didn't happen then the hero should have just reached over and turned the hand over. rather than being a nit and stopping the game so he could get a floor ruling. What actually happened was okay also.  > David Gary Carson http://www.garycarson.com _______________________________________________________________ The Largest Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

FellKnight New User fellknight@REMOVETHISgmail.com Sep 16, 2006, 4:42 PM Post #13 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post David wrote: > On Sat, 16 Sep 06 18:27:38 GMT, Rollexx <rje46@aol.com> wrote: > >> Im playing at a table..a young kid sits down..maybe five hands in, I'm in a pot >> with an older gentleman. The young kid folded before the flop. It gets down to >> heads up. I call an all in for about $300 with a boat. Guy has a bigger boat..Oh >> well...shit happens,,I toss my hand in the muck face down...The young kid asks >> the dealer what I had..I'm thinking, screw you..Dealer calls floor, ruling was >> made to show hand. "I wanted to see what he plays" was the kids response, Not >> cool in my book... > > When you raised all-in, both hands should be turned up anyway, no? > > David Not in a cash game, no. Fell No Karma

David New User dgold1958@yahoo.de Sep 16, 2006, 5:28 PM Post #14 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:42:40 GMT, FellKnight <fellknight@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote: >David wrote: >> On Sat, 16 Sep 06 18:27:38 GMT, Rollexx <rje46@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> Im playing at a table..a young kid sits down..maybe five hands in, I'm in a pot >>> with an older gentleman. The young kid folded before the flop. It gets down to >>> heads up. I call an all in for about $300 with a boat. Guy has a bigger boat..Oh >>> well...shit happens,,I toss my hand in the muck face down...The young kid asks >>> the dealer what I had..I'm thinking, screw you..Dealer calls floor, ruling was >>> made to show hand. "I wanted to see what he plays" was the kids response, Not >>> cool in my book... >> >> When you raised all-in, both hands should be turned up anyway, no? >> >> David > >Not in a cash game, no. Thanks. I was wondering why I never see the cards when all-in's are called in the cash games online. >Fell David No Karma

David New User dgold1958@yahoo.de Sep 16, 2006, 5:30 PM Post #15 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:42:40 GMT, FellKnight <fellknight@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote: >David wrote: >> On Sat, 16 Sep 06 18:27:38 GMT, Rollexx <rje46@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> Im playing at a table..a young kid sits down..maybe five hands in, I'm in a pot >>> with an older gentleman. The young kid folded before the flop. It gets down to >>> heads up. I call an all in for about $300 with a boat. Guy has a bigger boat..Oh >>> well...shit happens,,I toss my hand in the muck face down...The young kid asks >>> the dealer what I had..I'm thinking, screw you..Dealer calls floor, ruling was >>> made to show hand. "I wanted to see what he plays" was the kids response, Not >>> cool in my book... >> >> When you raised all-in, both hands should be turned up anyway, no? >> >> David > >Not in a cash game, no. One thing, though. The caller could have asked that the initial bettor shows his hand first, maybe? >Fell David No Karma

Max Coin New User 43082465@recpoker.com Sep 16, 2006, 6:15 PM Post #16 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   On Sep 16 2006 1:30 PM, Gary Carson wrote: > > > > On Sep 16 2006 2:33 PM, jeffc wrote: > > > "Edward" wrote in message > > news:1158432685.751518.5950@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Why not? > > > > > > It's legit to ask to see the losing hand at showdown. > > > > No, it's not. It's only legit to see evidence of suspected collusion or > > cheating. > > You don't know what you're talking about. > > Seeing the hands at showdown has nothing to do with collusion or cheating.  > There is no way whatsoever that seeing all the hands at showdown will expose > cheating. > > Gary Carson > http://www.garycarson.com > > I'm not sure how it would expose collusion in a live game but in a tourney it would reveal a player dumping chips to a partner. _______________________________________________________________ Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

"Edward" New User edwardr121453@aol.com Sep 16, 2006, 6:39 PM Post #17 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post   Gary Carson wrote: > On Sep 16 2006 2:54 PM, Edward wrote: > > > The origin of the rule was to give an opening to detect cheating, > > Since it doesn't help you detect cheating, that's kind of doubtful. You mean it wouldn't help you, but my knowledge comes from decades of table experience with real paople. I am capable of recognizing cheating. You won't learn that in books. . > > The source of the rule was simply to pacity whiney idiots. Wrong . > > Gary Carson > http://www.garycarson.com No Karma

Jake_Strongwell@yahoo.com New User Jake_Strongwell@yahoo.com Sep 17, 2006, 2:34 AM Post #18 of 18(1296 views) Shortcut Re: Asked to see hand.. [In reply to] Can't Post Why do you bother posting? Every time you attempt to explain something, you show how little you know. Gary Carson wrote: > On Sep 16 2006 2:33 PM, jeffc wrote: > > > "Edward" wrote in message > > news:1158432685.751518.5950@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Why not? > > > > > > It's legit to ask to see the losing hand at showdown. > > > > No, it's not. It's only legit to see evidence of suspected collusion or > > cheating. > > You don't know what you're talking about. > > Seeing the hands at showdown has nothing to do with collusion or cheating. > There is no way whatsoever that seeing all the hands at showdown will expose > cheating. > > Gary Carson > http://www.garycarson.com > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Your Online Poker Community - http://www.recpoker.com No Karma

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